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Should I help this woman out?

102 replies

Helperout · 13/07/2018 13:36

Hi all nc for this. There is this guy that I was friends with about 20 years ago and I was in a relationship with him for about 2 years. After we broke up we still remained friends and hung out in a large group. I got to know his parents really well and his mam is a lovely woman who always treated me really well (like a daughter).

We all drifted apart but I would still see him occasionally in the town.
Anyway last year he was charged with possession of images of child sexual abuse. The case is ongoing and I am not really sure of the details of what is alleged. At this time his father was terminally ill and died a few months ago.

I went to the funeral and his mam was naturally in a terrible state. She is a very "harmless" woman, she had a very tough life with her husband, he had many affairs that everyone knew about, had a child with another woman, he used to hit her, he drank heavily he was very financially controlling and she has always struggled. She adored her son, he was her golden child and these allegations have hit her very hard. As you can imagine the past year has been horrendous for her, she lives in a small town and has taken a good deal of abuse about her son.
He still lives with her, he was forced out of his house by his wife and was sleeping in his car. She told me that while she doesn't condone what he did she couldn't lie on her pillow at night knowing he was on the streets. She said that what he did was terrible but she cant abandon him. He is in hiding in her house. She is very lonely, has arthritis and needs help.

I called to her this morning for a cup of tea and all this came out. She is struggling to manage the house, she is very house proud. She needs her windows cleaned and a bit of cleaning done outside the house. Her son wont do it as he doesn't want to be seen outside,

I offered to come tomorrow and do the windows for her. When I called this morning I didn't realise he was still living with her. I had just knocked in to see if I could call back to her in 30 mins. The son was there and knew I was coming back so he left the house and only came back when he knew I was gone. He wont be there tomorrow morning (I don't want to see him and they both arranged for him to leave without me asking).

Anyway here is my dilemma, DH is dead against me getting involved in this. He said I cannot be seen down at the house when I know and others know he is living there. I can see his point but I also see a downtrodden old woman who needs help. I don't want to get into a situation where I am calling down regularly but maybe once every couple of months to check in on her and do a few jobs I know people will talk, they live in a housing estate and everyone knows everyone there so I will be noticed.
She was so happy to me and said she had prayed to her dead husband to send someone to help her and then I arrived at the door.

What would you do?

OP posts:
alltoomuchrightnow · 13/07/2018 13:40

I wouldn't want to be around or anywhere near the son.
I'd only see her away from the house

GreatDuckCookery6211 · 13/07/2018 13:41

What a horrible situation OP. You sound like a lovely, kind person and I'm sure you made this woman's day popping for a cup of tea.

I think in your shoes I would remain friends with her as you've had a close relationship with her in the past. This has nothing to do with her son. You're potentially being there for her and obviously not condoning what he's done.

alltoomuchrightnow · 13/07/2018 13:41

Windows are not important. That is not the whole picture. But she certainly needs help. Be a friend but don't get too involved..

Lotsofdigestives · 13/07/2018 13:42

Hmm. I wouldn’t get involved. She can pay a window cleaner.

Meet her away from the house if you have to.

BlueTears · 13/07/2018 13:43

I'd call the adult social services so they could assess her need for extra care.

Your DH is right to be against you going around there.

Why is he not in prison?

GreatDuckCookery6211 · 13/07/2018 13:44

Why should she have to lose a friend because of her son? His actions are nothing to do with his mother! The poor woman needs support.

TheOrigFV45 · 13/07/2018 13:46

I would help. I have not walked in that woman's shoes and therefore don't stand in a place to judge. She needs a friend.

Helperout · 13/07/2018 13:47

She doesn't have much money, she had to borrow to pay for the funeral. Her husband was very financially controlling so she had no savings, she only has her pension.

Adult social services are pretty much non-existent here and she is very embarrassed about her situation with her son, there is no way she would want a stranger involved.

Bluetears - case ongoing, no trial yet, problems with evidence

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RatRolyPoly · 13/07/2018 13:49

If it were me I'd keep doing what you're doing. But then again my dp wouldn't even be able to imagine a situation where I wouldn't. So no dilemma.

What is your dh worried about, specifically? Do you know?

Melliegrantfirstlady · 13/07/2018 13:51

What a terrible hand of cards this woman has had.

Yes I would clean her windows and be her friend. She has done absolutely nothing wrong!

Life is cruel sometimes.

WhenISnappedAndFarted · 13/07/2018 13:51

Why can't the son clean the windows? Is it because he might be seen. Why can't he help around the house?

She's found herself in a very tough situation and it isn't her fault but I can also see your DH's side of this. I agree with a PP, this poor woman needs a friend, could you regularly meet her outside the house?

ThePlatypusAlwaysTriumphs · 13/07/2018 14:01

That is so sad Sad. I would help out, although I'm sure my DH would be of the same mind as yours. People are too quick to judge

cordeliavorkosigan · 13/07/2018 14:01

It seems a bit harsh to socially isolate her - she didn't do anything with photos. And he hasn't been convicted yet but people don't even want to be seen helping her? He could have been framed or falsely accused but she has to have a completely isolated life in case anyone is seen with her? Life is cruel but people don't have to be.

AJPTaylor · 13/07/2018 14:01

i think like others. offer her friendship away from the house and him. is there a local church that could offer help and friendship.
i dont know the situation but i would be wary of vigilanties.

SomeKnobend · 13/07/2018 14:02

If he can "pop out" while you're there to avoid you, he is a cheeky fucker and can pop out to clean his own (mum's) fucking windows. If you want to offer friendship, fine, she can come to yours or you meet her somewhere else. Doing bloody cleaning for her because her son can't be arsed is royally taking the fucking piss.

pinkdelight · 13/07/2018 14:03

The son seems okay about going out when he wants/needs to. Let him clean the windows. However nice his mam is, she has an able-bodied adult son in the house who owes her plenty of help. If she can't/won't make him help her then you can't be much help to her either - she's going to keep being a doormat for the men in her life until she decides to change.

GreatDuckCookery6211 · 13/07/2018 14:03

OP would it be feasible to meet her away from her house?

Lizzie48 · 13/07/2018 14:04

Your DH is right to be concerned; apart from anything else, your safety could be at risk if you go round regularly, as these situations can get very volatile. I wouldn't have thought it was the best idea for him to stay at home, as he's putting his mother's safety at risk as well as his own.

I wouldn't go to the house. You should arrange to meet up with her for a coffee sometimes to give her something to look forward to. And I agree that you should alert SS to her vulnerability.

This situation strikes a chord with me. My brother has serious MH issues and my DSis and I reported the fact that he participated in SA we suffered at the hands of our F and others. My DM understands why we can't be around him (we have young DC apart from anything else), but she is supporting him a lot more than she's supporting us. The police didn't pursue the case because of his vulnerability.

tattyheadsmum · 13/07/2018 14:06

You sound lovely, OP. Keep doing what you're doing (ideally with the son not there). I'm another one whose partner wouldn't dream of stopping me doing something like that; in fact, he's much more likely than me to be the one offering to do it.

The world needs more people like you.

crazychemist · 13/07/2018 14:08

Poor woman! I think you're being very kind to help out.

Does her DS have any income? Can you suggest to her that he pay for a cleaner as he is staying with her? (Might help to get him off his arse to do a bit of cleaning!)

She could probably do with a break from him as much as any practical help. Hiding away will also make it easy for people to judge her. I'd suggest taking her out for a coffee now and then if you can. Second what pp said about finding out if there's a local church that can offer her friendship and a bit of a break.

Atlantea · 13/07/2018 14:09

Get her to contact this help group - www.lucyfaithfull.org.uk/

'We work with entire families that have been affected by sexual abuse including: young people with inappropriate sexual behaviours; adult male and female sexual abusers; victims of abuse and other family members.'

Bluelady · 13/07/2018 14:10

If it were me I'd carry on doing exactly what you're doing. If other people are so mean spirited and small minded that they gossip about an elderly woman because of her son, it makes it all the more important that she has a friend. My husband would know that if he objected to my friendships it would be a red rag to a bull.

I think you're doing a really nice thing, OP. Don't let anyone tell you any different and please never change. The world needs more people like you.

NoFuckingRoomOnMyBroom · 13/07/2018 14:13

I'd help her out tbh, cleaning Windows etc. Sounds like she's struggling & it's lovely of you to be there a bit for her. It's a shame there aren't more like you.

mickeysminnie · 13/07/2018 14:14

What Someknobend said!
Meet her away from the house if you want but I wouldn't get drawn into it personally.

newbiegreenfingers · 13/07/2018 14:14

What her son did is not on her, if she needs help and you are in a situation to do that then I would! It's the right thing to do, especially if she's treated you so well in the past, as you said.

I do also agree with SomeKnobend though, if her son can leave the house to miss you then he can leave to clean the windows.