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Should I help this woman out?

102 replies

Helperout · 13/07/2018 13:36

Hi all nc for this. There is this guy that I was friends with about 20 years ago and I was in a relationship with him for about 2 years. After we broke up we still remained friends and hung out in a large group. I got to know his parents really well and his mam is a lovely woman who always treated me really well (like a daughter).

We all drifted apart but I would still see him occasionally in the town.
Anyway last year he was charged with possession of images of child sexual abuse. The case is ongoing and I am not really sure of the details of what is alleged. At this time his father was terminally ill and died a few months ago.

I went to the funeral and his mam was naturally in a terrible state. She is a very "harmless" woman, she had a very tough life with her husband, he had many affairs that everyone knew about, had a child with another woman, he used to hit her, he drank heavily he was very financially controlling and she has always struggled. She adored her son, he was her golden child and these allegations have hit her very hard. As you can imagine the past year has been horrendous for her, she lives in a small town and has taken a good deal of abuse about her son.
He still lives with her, he was forced out of his house by his wife and was sleeping in his car. She told me that while she doesn't condone what he did she couldn't lie on her pillow at night knowing he was on the streets. She said that what he did was terrible but she cant abandon him. He is in hiding in her house. She is very lonely, has arthritis and needs help.

I called to her this morning for a cup of tea and all this came out. She is struggling to manage the house, she is very house proud. She needs her windows cleaned and a bit of cleaning done outside the house. Her son wont do it as he doesn't want to be seen outside,

I offered to come tomorrow and do the windows for her. When I called this morning I didn't realise he was still living with her. I had just knocked in to see if I could call back to her in 30 mins. The son was there and knew I was coming back so he left the house and only came back when he knew I was gone. He wont be there tomorrow morning (I don't want to see him and they both arranged for him to leave without me asking).

Anyway here is my dilemma, DH is dead against me getting involved in this. He said I cannot be seen down at the house when I know and others know he is living there. I can see his point but I also see a downtrodden old woman who needs help. I don't want to get into a situation where I am calling down regularly but maybe once every couple of months to check in on her and do a few jobs I know people will talk, they live in a housing estate and everyone knows everyone there so I will be noticed.
She was so happy to me and said she had prayed to her dead husband to send someone to help her and then I arrived at the door.

What would you do?

OP posts:
HollowTalk · 13/07/2018 14:19

It worries me that you say "he was forced out of his house by his wife" - the use of the world "force" makes it sound as though you think that was unfair, but who wouldn't kick their husband out for committing that sort of crime, particularly if they had children of their own?

Verbena87 · 13/07/2018 14:19

I’d help. I’d keep away from the son and maybe have her over for tea and biscuits instead. I’d read Dorianne Laux’s poem ‘facts about the moon’ and remember to be kind.

poemsoutloud.net/audio/archive/laux_reads_facts_about_the_moon/

IwantedtobeEmmaPeel · 13/07/2018 14:19

I would help this woman out, she is going through a terrible time, she is grieving for her husband, has a son charged with a terrible crime and has money worries. On top of that it sounds like she doesn't have any/many friends. This woman hasn't done anything wrong, she sounds like a victim and obviously really needs a friend. Ignore any nasty gossips, some people have so little intelligence or compassion they will always find someone to bitch about. If the neighbours know her as a good person they should cut her some slack. Also although the son has been charged with a terrible offence, he hasn't actually been found guilty of anything yet and our system of justice is innocent until proven guilty.

BaronessBlonde · 13/07/2018 14:22

pinkdelight is bang on the money OP
"The son seems okay about going out when he wants/needs to. Let him clean the windows. However nice his mam is, she has an able-bodied adult son in the house who owes her plenty of help. If she can't/won't make him help her then you can't be much help to her either - she's going to keep being a doormat for the men in her life until she decides to change."

This ^ X100.
He is now abusing his mother; in his shoes, he should be crawling on his knees thanking her, cleaning her windows with ear-buds and snipping her grass with hand scissors.

It sounds like his mother is co-dependent with poor boundaries which abusive men take advantage of.
See her- ask her out to coffee, bring her to the supermarket..but no cleaning windows.

BlueTears · 13/07/2018 14:22

I think the huge question here is do you have children?

If you do then you really need to stay as far away as you can. The very last thing you want to do is to put them at any kind of risk weather that's physical, mental, emotional etc.

BaronessBlonde · 13/07/2018 14:23

in his shoes, I would be

PremierNaps · 13/07/2018 14:32

Keep doing what you're doing OP. You are such a kind soul.

The woman needs a friend and you are offering that to her. She must be so happy that she has someone.

Bluelady · 13/07/2018 14:33

What a beautiful poem, Verbena. Thank you so much for sharing that.

HollowTalk · 13/07/2018 14:34

If her husband was financially controlling, then when he died she would have inherited the contents of his bank accounts, wouldn't she?

Also didn't her husband have a work pension? She would be entitled to her share of that after he died.

I'm a bit worried that you are believing things too readily, OP.

DailyMailFail101 · 13/07/2018 14:36

I would help out if I had the time and it wasn’t going to affect my family time, it’s a nice kind thing to do, a quick cup of tea and a chat maybe do a little job for her it would be such a kindness and would only take about an hour a week but would make a huge difference to somebody’s life.
I hope if I’m ever in a bad situation people would help me so I’d always try to help someone else.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/07/2018 14:39

I don't want to get into a situation where I am calling down regularly but maybe once every couple of months to check in on her and do a few jobs

Thing is, if she's so isolated it's unlikely she'd consider this enough; sooner or later you'll hear that she's been praying to her late husband for you to come more often, do just this one extra thing and all manner of emotional manipulation which you might not be comfortable refusing

I'd help her, yes - but I'd do it by seeing her away from the house / at yours, offering links to useful organisations and so on. If she then says "ooooo I couldn't possibly tell anyone else, you're the only one I can trust" I'd be backing right off

Verbena87 · 13/07/2018 14:42

@bluelady her work is worth investigating. Woman poets don’t get nearly enough recognition I think, and lots are SO GOOD: brutal and honest and capable of encompassing complexity.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 13/07/2018 14:42

A charge isn't a conviction. Just saying.

Lizzie48 · 13/07/2018 14:43

It's a good suggestion to ask for help from a local church. A lot of churches have coffee mornings for elderly folk, so some research would be a good idea.

cholka · 13/07/2018 14:46

Just bloody do it, who cares what people think?

Although probably what she needs more than clean windows is a good friend and a change of scene. If you can take her out (preferably to somewhere away from snoopy judgey people) then I'd do that rather than cleaning.

araiwa · 13/07/2018 14:50

Pay a window cleaner and cleaner to go round

Wellthisunexpected · 13/07/2018 14:54

I would.

She has previously been very kind to you and you had a good relationship. She is aware of the difficulties with her son and has made arrangements for him not to be there, without you asking.

His crimes are not hers. She is going through a tough time, she needs support. Be a friend.

GreatDuckCookery6211 · 13/07/2018 14:54

I wouldn't suggest paying for a cleaner or a window cleaner!
The woman needs a friend and some moral support more than her odd jobs doing.

Almostthere15 · 13/07/2018 14:57

Id offer company rather than practical help. So meet in town for a coffee or take her to the shops/library. It would be helpful to signpost her to some of the support in this thread. But I wouldn't be cleaning her windows, because she has an able bodied son who can do that (and if tell her he should as well). She needs a friend and has been kind, so it feels right you should do that too

Givemeallyourcucumber · 13/07/2018 14:57

Myself and DH would help her out. Poor women probably just wants someone to be kind to her. Sad

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 13/07/2018 14:58

I would maintain contact with her...

Meet elsewhere.

If you're sure she really really is hard up? Didn't she get her husbands estate??

In this case I would pay someone for an hour every couple of months to clean windows... As you're friends with HER rather than her appalling son

Beaverhausen · 13/07/2018 14:59

It is a dilemma, can you possibly pay to have someone do her windows for her? As for her garden see if you can not find a cheap gardner to help her out.

If she needs company, ask DH if it is alright if she comes to you for a cup of tea etc every now and then.

I would be torn, but just like you I would not want to ignore a lady who had nothing to do with what her son did.

This is such a fucked up world we live in where people get judged for the actions of those in their close vicinity. If only her son would move out.

AcrossthePond55 · 13/07/2018 15:00

Has he admitted it? At this point his case hasn't gone to trial?

"Innocent until proven guilty", I guess. I'd stay away from him but I wouldn't isolate her.

But I agree, he should be cleaning her windows.

lifeisabeachsometimes · 13/07/2018 15:01

I would continue to support the lady but would make the windows and whatever you have agreed to my first and last job until after the trial.

If he is innocent then your problem is solved, and if he is guilty and goes to prison your problem is solved (as he won't be there) the lady should not be punished because she happens to be related to someone that is being accused of this (he hasn't been found guilty yet may I add)

You are a very nice person she is very lucky!

Baumederose · 13/07/2018 15:06

You may be the one kind person in her life. Its a tough one.

I don't know the answer. I'd like to think I would help her out. On the other, not wanting to get involved seems a sane choice. The church/coffee idea is a good one. I might opt for that.

Good luck.

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