To think people genuinely hate England?

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Is anyone else sick of seeing the anger/hatred towards England in the World Cup? This 'anyone but england' mentality from almost every other country is disheartening honestly. I've seen every excuse under the sun, we haven't played a proper team yet, 200,000 signatures to re-play the Colombia match because apparently that wasn't fair, blaming a few rowdy fans for not wanting England to win. I'm especially surprised by the amount of Scottish/Irish/Welsh people who seem to feel like this (on social media) i know we'd so be routing for our neighbours if it was the other way round! So... AIBU to think everyone just friggin hates England?!

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I'm Scottish, and I don't "hate the English", but I'm not supporting them in the World Cup, and would prefer anyone else to win.

There is an old saying "in every friendship circle, there's one arsehole. If you don't know who it is in your circle, then it's you"

Unfortunately, whether English people like it or not, they come across as arrogant. The Brexit debate made that perfectly clear.

I have many English friends, but I don't think I can cope with 1966 all over again.

I don't know about the other countries of the Union, but we do get a tad peeved when you use British National Anthem for the English Team, fly the British UNION Jack etc.

having lived in a few apart from the UK, the people who hate the English most are largely the English.

Yup. This idea that the English are widely hated is mostly a myth imho. In my experience the English are mostly well liked, and English culture widely admired.

And BTW, those who,like to bang on about colonialism, other countries had colonies, too - France, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany - and they did try to have quite a few more.

And let's not even get started on England's next opponent, Croatia, and their enthusiastic collaboration with the Nazis.... and much else besides.

Hurrah for seriouslynotthisagain 🏆🏆🏆

James VI of Scotland came south and became king James I of England - thus uniting the thrones of a England and Scotland.

Yes and Scotland have had the upper hand ever since haven't they?? PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHY THE WORLD GETS FRUSTRATED!!!

• football hooligans
• brexit
• royal family
• arrogance
• arrogance

-arrogance

• some English people abroad (absolutely cringeworthy)
• arrogance
• dodgy imperial past
• refusal to acknowledge said past appropriately
• voting Tory repeatedly
• boris Johnson
• the old boys network
• the class system

Anyway it's all in good fun and I look forward to Tuesday when hopefully our 🇭🇷 friends triumph 😀

I don’t think the English should feel too badly: bigger neighbours get stick from smaller. That’s partly why the US is so universally bashed.

But the reasons for the views of Wales, Scotland and Ireland are not comparable.

Scotland was a disproportionate influence on colonisation: many Scots were military commanders and colonial administrators; many Scottish fortunes were made from foreign adventuring and from slavery. The argument that the Scots were ‘colonised’ by the English is largely mythical. Scotland has for centuries had a significant hand in the administration of Britain and of British policy towards the rest of the world.

The Welsh have better reasons for bristling about the English; but they’re different reasons.

Ireland has been treated appallingly by England and Scotland and has a genuine grievance. But the Irish generally are the most forward looking and progressive of all. I admire them.

There's something arrogant about assuming the rest of the world cares enough to hate you 🤷‍♀️

I think it’s sad that English people think everyone hates them personally. I don’t know you to hate you. It’s media and government which has always been the problem.
It’s just a shame when people can’t see that, it’s like the bullies at school remembering all the problems they caused differently to you and say it was just banter. We will never see eye to eye on these things

Exactly Platypusfattypus. London 2012 really did pull us all together. We were on holiday in England at the time. Loved it!

Thank fuck were not going to England this summer! I’m at the other end of the country and there’s still no escaping it. Every radio station, every channel.

If you genuinely cannot imagine not supporting the Danes at football if they had invaded you and still ruled over you,

Oh get over yourself! You're not 'ruled over' by England. You're part of a union you can choose to leave at any time. But given the choice, you chose not to. Fake victimhood isn't a good look.

Oh, and as for all this "football's coming home" nonsense
football was invented in Scotland

One further thought; the English Premier League (and yes it is called that despite the fact that Welsh teams compete also) is the best football league in the world and as such attracts the best footballers. Home nations aside, there is probably slight resentment from European football fans at losing their best players to English teams. Very few English players leave to play abroad in comparison.

There’s lots of replies here about how great England is, and how England has been amazing for the rest of the world. The rest of us are a bit but we don’t all have to agree with your inflated sense of entitlement.
I was a bit perplexed by the amazing Eurovision performance this year that got so little votes. I did think it must be Brexit, the song itself was lovely.

As for the apparent non-existent hate of the Scots during IndyRef, does anyone remember the tweet by some tosser (who happened to be English) telling Andy Murray that he wished he had died in Dunblane because he was voting yes? No hate their at all.

As for the English/British being interchangeable, it is very much so. See the NY Times tweet claiming that Murray and England were back on top, not Murray and Britain.

I'm Irish... for almost 40 years our experience of English people was usually negative.
If they weren't colluding with loyalist paramilitaries to kill innocent catholics, they were bursting into our homes, ripping women and children from their beds and taking our fathers and grandfathers to be interned.
They pointed guns at me as a child and spat as I walked by them on the street
Watched our every move and stopped us going to school
Threw the contents of our school bags out on the bus when they stopped to search it. Yip, a bus full of kids
We hate the sense of arrogance, entitlement, it's so fucking annoying.
All those years of colonialism and oppression can't be forgotten so easily

I'm especially surprised by the amount of Scottish/Irish/Welsh people who seem to feel like this (on social media) i know we'd so be routing for our neighbours if it was the other way round!

Really???? You're surpised by this????
Yeah, right.

Never mind the numndreds of year of history of England oppressiong its neighbours, today most Londoners have no idea about Scottish or Welsh issues and are fantastically xenophobic.

The whole of the UK is London-centric.

Many of the Welsh and the Scots feel left out and sidelined.

Many of the English fans have been - historically especially, but still some now - completely unacceptable. Bloody barbaric.

Still need more reasons not to support England???

@IcedPurple - the last 2/3 weeks have proved that, yes, Scotland is "ruled over" by England.
Scotland were promised devolved powers, which Westminster have confirmed will be removed due to the Brexit vote (which the Scottish people did not vote for)

I'm British/Irish and was happy to cheer on England on Saturday but I regret that massively. I am in Central Europe right now and the behaviour of English fans in the city centre I am in was mortifying!! I will now be distancing myself from anything English as long as I am abroad and will be referring to myself as Irish from now on...

There is an old saying "in every friendship circle, there's one arsehole. If you don't know who it is in your circle, then it's you”

The English aristocracy were treating ordinary English people like shit at the same time as they were treating ordinary Scottish people like shit. The idea that my English peasant ancestors are in some way responsible for the poor treatment of my Scottish peasant ancestors is a joke - they were all being turfed off their land to make room for sheep farming at roughly the same time (ditto my Welsh peasant ancestors). Furthermore, many many Scottish people were very happy to jump on the British Empire bandwagon to colonise and exploit the rest of the world.
Yep. This.
And colonisation was perpetrated by the British. Yes, and the Portuguese, Spanish and French.
I don't know why other home nations consider the English to have no concept of the fact that Scotland and Wales exist-we do, we just don't do spend our time raging about it. Seriously, I had no idea how much the Scottish hated the English on principle until I spent time there.
I had people say to my face "I hate the English. Not you, you're ok, but I hate the English"..
Well, I'm from immigrants anyway but I consider myself English, and had my great grandparents and grandparents not been welcomed in England my life would be very different.
I'm not proud to be English but I am grateful.

I don't think that's fair, re Australia. I have found the opposite. I have come across many English people over the internet (message boards, YouTubers etc etc etc) who seem to detest Australia and look down on us very disdainfully. Always reminding us they sent their 'worst' here and we are a prison colony. Nothing but dregs. So I would say it is the exact opposite.

I don't hate England. I don't hate anywhere. I also didn't know there was even a game on until I saw the threads on here. I only really follow tennis, cricket and Australian rugby league.

@HouseofGoldandBones I think Iced is living under a rock, or just blatantly ignorant of the issues and attitudes in the rest of the UK (which is pretty much what this thread keeps repeating is the main bugbear!).

you're also kidding yourself if you think England would support any of the other home nations.

Forgive my language but this is complete bollocks. I can't think of a single media outlet or a single one of my friends and family who wouldn't get behind the other home nations if England weren't there.

Trust me, we English would far rather have an English anthem than have to use For Save the Queen.