To wish the people screaming outside would shut up?

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Yes, I do understand that people are excited about the football, but it’s Tuesday night and my DC, who is completely exhausted, has to get up early for school - the rather scary shouting has just woken her up. Yep, I know someone will say I should move to the middle of nowhere. I would love to - as many people would - but sadly that’s not possible.

Professor. My point wasn’t in making it accessible to disabled pupils and not was your point I was responding to.

That’s a completely different set of challenges in terms of making sports provision for disabled children and mainstream schools simply can’t provide that for a small percentage of their pupils. we can’t adapt the school football team to have a lad in a wheelchair in goal.

I’m not educated on the topic of exercise for the disabled, I imagine there are a wide range of physical therapies that have to happen to avoid atrophy etc.

SGB up there thinks we should turn to gardening instead of physical exercise......

I totally agree that things like that should be available. My daughter just joined the gardening club at school and she much prefers that to PE. But I’m not going to be telling her she doesn’t have to do PE. Like everything in life, balance and moderation.

She's just had to face a personal setback - not got her first choice secondary school and is talking about Gareth Southgate's comments on "owning the process" when faced with a difficult situation.

Bless her!

@HairDyedPink very good point. The people who make the most tedious noise about sports are usually the sort whose exercise routine consists of stuffing their faces and bellowing.

And there is a difference between 'moving around' which could include going clubbing and dancing all night, walking everywhere or taking up some sort of exercise class, and sports. Sports are pointless and utterly boring.

cycle, the link with domestic violence has been mentioned many times on this thread. To be honest, I'm sick of it. The vast majority of football fans are normal people who aren't violent. Trying to make them feel bad is really outrageous and won't convince anyone who doesn't already agree with you.

And, before you ask, I have been the victim of domestic abuse. It was nobody's fault except his.

Cyclewidow. 38% of domestic violence involves alcohol according to the CSEW stats.

England playing in knockout games of the World Cup will be the days when more alcohol is drunk.

It’s a great campaign as anything that puts DV in the headlines is good. But it’s got bugger all to do with football results.

It’s like large crowds of people, you get trouble in them all. Whether it be a football team going to Europe or an antifascist march in London, you get a volume of people you get a volume of idiots.

@bellinsurge

Get her into the Cricket, especially 20/20. The maths fun is endless, run rates, averages, strike rates

Agreed, Jacques. I've taught a couple of wheelchair using children before I used one myself, and I was able to include them in every sports lesson I carried out. Unfortunately it isn't the same for my DS, and it's a constant battle with the school. It's not that difficult either, especially if you have willing support staff.

My DS can't participate in PE at all at the moment unless it's something that doesn't involve using his legs. I'd fully expect the school to provide something for him to do, even if it was simple chair yoga or throwing and catching. They refuse. He reads.

Good idea @Usernumbers1234 .

Fcycle, the link with domestic violence has been mentioned many times on this thread. To be honest, I'm sick of it*

Me too. Tbh I've unfollwed people who've shard it on my fb. It's just a way fir those people to have a snidey pop at football. I am willing to bet money on the fact none of them spend any time actually thinking about or dealing with dv

Sports are pointless and utterly boring

In your opinion of course.

I worked on a project in a local inner city, whereby we provided sports at a low cost as a diversionary tactic to help slow the rate of young people offending.

The difference we made both to those young people - and as a result the wider community as a whole - was phenomenal.

It is utterly facile to say sport is pointless. By all means don't like it - which is perfectly valid - but trying to pretend it has no value is rather foolish.

Gardening can involve plenty of physical exercise and movement: digging, building raised beds, pruning big trees, moving lawns, lugging big watering cans around. And, for some children (and adults) it's a lot less boring than sport.

And sports have personal value. My children love sport and participating in sports. So do I. They aren't pointless to them.

They seem pointless to you reanimated although I'm sure we could think of SOMETHING you'd enjoy!

Sport has no inherent value. Same goes for a lot of things that some people enjoy and others find boring. Sports are just one way of moving about, with various made up rules. Again, it's fine for people who enjoy it to go and enjoy it, but why can they not just leave the rest of us alone?

I am a big football fan and I too was shouting and screaming at the tv last night. I just posted the photo because there is an obvious link between dv and when England loses, same as there is with alcohol, poverty and other factors.
I have been involved with people who have been involved with dv, mainly when they come through A&E, in theatre and as outpatients afterwards.

Gardening is fine and lovely. I do it and I'm outside a lot pushing wheelbarrows etc. Gardening club at dds primary was sweet, they got their hands muddy, they were outside, all good.

It is different to sport though? Both can coexist surely?

OK sgb your chosen sport is clearly being stubborn and opinionated and wrong that's fine. Are you this obsessed in RL?

At the most basic level sport is what the civilised world has invented as an alternative to man's instinct for tribalism and to be at war.

So yes, sometimes it gets too close to the original but we'd be in a mess without it. Despite appearances (as there are still too many conflicts around the world) we are living in by far the most peaceful period in history.

Now, even I don't say all sports are pointless and utterly boring!

I don't understand the huge passion and fervour that just watching sport engenders in a lot of people. I quite like watching Wimbledon but don't really watch any other tennis. I occasionally even like watching Golf which I can totally understand people finding incredibly dull but I like the precision of it I think. I find team sports totally and utterly dull.

I like (but not passionate about) playing badminton but I don't actually enjoy watching it on the rare occasions it gets any coverage. I like sailing and I race dinghies (but not passionate about it) but again I don't actually enjoy watching it. So I can understand why people can be passionate about being involved IN sport, but not the passion for watching it (unless your kids are playing).

I find summer Olympics dull as ditch but really enjoy winter Olympics. Maybe its because there is more chance of people injuring themselves quite spectacularly?

Sport has no inherent value. Same goes for a lot of things that some people enjoy and others find boring. Sports are just one way of moving about, with various made up rules. Again, it's fine for people who enjoy it to go and enjoy it, but why can they not just leave the rest of us alone?

Of course sport has an inherent value. You just don't like it - which is totally fine, but you're like one of those children who haven't got a wide enough experience to be able to say WHY they don't like something just "its rubbish".

So I can understand why people can be passionate about being involved IN sport, but not the passion for watching it (unless your kids are playing)

For many people it isn't an either or - they enjoy playing AND watching. I know I do when I'm fit.

We are not even near the final

Err, yes we are. Only two games away. That's why a lot of people are going bonkers.

I found the cheering useful. DH and DS1 were watching it in the pub. I was in the garden with a book and some chilled pinot. Whenever I heard the sound of distant cheering I check the score on the BBC website so i didn't have to sit inside and watch it. I had a lovely evening.

Sport has value for some. I don't like sport, in particular professional football and that is mainly to do with the louts that cause trouble during/after it.

However I can see that although it is really dull to me, others can enjoy other sports.

It isn't fair to say that sport doesn't have a value at all in life because to some it does.

I'm sure my crochet doesn't have a value to many people and some would rather gouge their eyes out with my hook than participate. However for me, it is therapeutic and helps my mental health.

I still think sport should be optional though, or offer more choice.

Sport has no inherent value I can't understand how an educated person can make such a ridiculous statement. There are so many physical, emotional, mental, social benefits to it.

Only two games away. That's why a lot of people are going bonkers.

Plus, the fact that there a realistic prospect of getting through to the final (or at least the semis) because of the way things have worked out.

It's exciting because it doesn't happen often and may be an historic moment for the nation that our children will get to experience!

I've never lived through a World Cup win, so even though I don't particularly follow football generally, I'm excited about this and take an interest in the same way I would with a rare, once in a lifetime, eclipse or the 950th anniversary of the battle of Hastings in 2016, which is the biggest celebration of that battle I will probably see.

Life's too short and bloody difficult to not celebrate the fuck out of the good bits!