To wish the people screaming outside would shut up?

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Yes, I do understand that people are excited about the football, but it’s Tuesday night and my DC, who is completely exhausted, has to get up early for school - the rather scary shouting has just woken her up. Yep, I know someone will say I should move to the middle of nowhere. I would love to - as many people would - but sadly that’s not possible.

We won on penalties. If you can't get your head around why that was a big deal then just bow out gracefully! Wimbledon is on apparently.

You have heard of the Paralympics have you?

Of course. Good for those who want to be involved. As a disabled wheelchair user myself, I can't think of anything worse.

And as a teacher you should know that numerous studies have equated good teaching and facilities for sports in schools with good academic results

Depending on the child. All studies have counter studies. There are many children who do not wish to be forced into sports and not EVERY child enjoys it. Not every child enjoys maths, not every child enjoys art. Why should every child enjoy sport? That's not how it works.

You sound a bit ignorant to be honest

Cool.

The school my DS is in at the moment offers nothing other than sport. DS is disabled and has no interest in sport. When his classmates do PE, he has to read. At the moment there's a huge push on The Daily Mile, walking to school etc. Fantastic, for the children who can. He can't. He is excluded.

He only has a few weeks left, or I'd have moved him. Before the new head started, there were other things for children to do. Thankfully he has out of school hobbies that he is able to participate in.

Can he not join in the daily Mile? Dds friend who was a wheelchair user used to do a bit of it in her chair, it was seen as a real honour to push her round?

it's high time this country had some joy. Long may it continue, noise n all

OP maybe get your dd some foam earplugs in time for the next game? They are very comfy and effective

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also I bet if you had a word with her and said it's because england are winning and it's very exciting, and all the noise will be gone soon - she'd settle back off to sleep happily. The way you react will influence how she does.

You can choose happily drifting off to sleep or being annoyed all night at the slightest noise

Apologies I've seen it's you and not your ds who is a wheelchair user

I'd be amazed if the emphasis on sport isn't aimed at being as inclusive as possible as that's how funding works theses days

HairDyedPink that doesn't make you sound less twattish.

Yeah, it’s definitely the screaming and shouting which I find a bit... I don’t know... incongruent maybe? Where I live (Home Counties) people tend to be quite reserved and it’s just so strange when you hear all the roars of, “COME ON ENGLAND! VINDALOO! FOOTBALL’S COMING HOME!” blah blah. Not that I actually had it here last night tbh, but I imagine the pubs would have been full of it.

People watching and enjoying sport is obviously pretty ordinary. It’s just when usually reserved peopl, the types who look very uncomfortable and change the subject if you try to discuss politics, books or emotions, then get all roary and verbally aggressive to the tv when the football is on. It’s all a bit weird and forced somehow. Like a premeditated vent for the repressed.

But then, it’s something which is just a bit lost on me, but also quite fascinating. I don’t even think it’s a bad thing btw. I think people need an outlet and watching sport’s fairly harmless in itself. It’s nice to see communities coming together too. I just can’t get into it. I can’t pretend I care and I always think there has to be an element of pretence, or deliberately getting yourself worked up more than you really are to get to the point where you’re bellowing at the tv because someone might kick a ball into a net 🤷‍♀️. It’s odd to me, but not a bad thing and also quite interesting from an objective point of view.

I think maybe when it’s England, people then attach national pride to it too. So that’s an element. For a few countries within and outside the uk, aggressive / extreme English patriotism can historically be a bit sensitive, which is a shame really.

Professor no - not every child enjoys maths, so should we just let them opt out of that as well as sport in your world.

At least the downside of stopping teaching maths is probably only going to mean I need to check my change more in shops. Whilst letting kids opt out of sport and exercise continues the bottleneck of fat kids with health issues.

Sod it, do the kids like playing Fortnight, let’s just get rid of all the teachers and stick 30 PS4s and TVs in the classsroom yeah?

I can promise you I meant every single word that I shouted at the TV last night.

Do you struggle with emotion generally?

LittleLionMansMummy
great, my point was to prove how twattish the original post was, which it clearly was

That all sounds awful Prof, but how is it the fault of football? Your problem is with the school. Football aims to be inclusive for disabled people who want to be involved (all grounds have designated areas to accommodate wheelchair users and their friends and ime they are very well looked after, and for example ) but football doesn't try to force anyone to be involved.

I don’t like football. I was woken up last night by the cheers for the penalties - so I switched the tv on and watched the last few!

Bullying of kids who dislike sports has been going on for years. If it's not actual aggression, nagging, name calling and enforced participation, it's the way it can be used to exclude the kids with no interest/aptitude; the special treatment given to those kids who are good at it (of course they should be praised and encouraged, but they are no more 'heroes' than the kids who are good at maths or art or science.)

And all the whining about obesity and how the answer is to force people to chase and throw fucking balls around... Nope. The 'obesity crisis' is a myth, mainly used to mock poor people and increase the profits of the diet industry, anyway.

@Usernumbers1234 excellent post and rationale!

Can he not join in the daily Mile

Unfortunately not. He doesn't use a wheelchair and even if he did, the route they take isn't accessible.

no - not every child enjoys maths, so should we just let them opt out of that as well as sport in your world

No, but maths is made accessible for those children with difficulties. In a lot of schools, sports aren't. Sport is a different kettle of fish too - it isn't essential in life, some children have preferences which aren't taken into account in a school (not the school's fault, obviously) and not all children are physically able.

@ReadingRiot - it's not, I just went on a tangent As a disabled person with a disabled son, schools aren't as inclusive as they make out. Perhaps another thread though, not this one.

Hmm based on my completely unscientific observations (that there are far more fat children than there used to be) I wouldn't say that the obesity crisis is a myth? Also the advice is to eat less and move more, both of which don't cost money?

@Jorah

Was that to me? I’m not English and not from the Home Counties and what I was saying was, that, as an outsider, I find people here tend to be a lot more reserved than people in my home country, including me! So, if you mean do I struggle to discuss or express my emotions? No, I was saying the exact opposite of that. Generally I’m fairly expressive and enthusiastic have to tone myself down a bit here. That’s why it takes me by surprise when these same reserved folk are the ones going bananas at the tv when the footie is on. Why does it take sport to bring this side out? It really isn’t a criticism, it’s just interesting to me.

Only 1 child in 5 exercises for more than an hour a day more than 3 times a week.

And that’s not a problem SGB?

I guess some of us like football, others gravitate to antagonism as a hobby.

It's the same everywhere. If you watch a match in Kenya the same screaming and shouting goes on but that doesn't carry into normal life! It's not an English thing.

Bullying of kids who dislike sports has been going on for years. If it's not actual aggression, nagging, name calling and enforced participation, it's the way it can be used to exclude the kids with no interest/aptitude; the special treatment given to those kids who are good at it (of course they should be praised and encouraged, but they are no more 'heroes' than the kids who are good at maths or art or science)

I think there's several issues here. Whether you like it or not, sport is on the national curriculum, therefore schools have to ensure that children participate. That said (and I come at this from the POV of a sports coach) I think it is important that children are given access to a wide range of sports activities - for example at my DD's school they have the option to choose yoga/pilates for PE, meaning there are options that fit within a curriculum for the less sports-inclined.

I don't think your choice of "heroes" was a correct term; I've certainly never been at or involved with a school where the sporty pupils were thought of as any better, just they had found their niche.

Professor FWIW I think it's really poor that your son is excluded from The Daily Mile, and I would be disappointed that the school weren't doing more to accomodate his needs. I've delivered rugby coaching to a child in a wheelchair (who was absolutely desperate to participate but thought he wouldn't be able to); all it needs is consideration and a bit of creative thinking.

I am bit puzzled why people think that watching footie on the tv could be a solution to obesity crisis. Looking at the state of the supporters, watching the game and actually playing it are not even on the same planet.

I guess some of us like football, others gravitate to antagonism as a hobby

Brilliant

And a timely reminder to leave this thread get on with my life!

@Jorah

I’ve never been to Kenya, but what you say is true for my home country. But for some reason it takes me more by surprise where I live now. Because people round here tend to be less obviously expressive in day to day life. It’s a much bigger difference between man / woman having a chat in the street and man / woman watching football, in terms of their behaviour and outspokenness. It’s less obvious, to me, where I’m from and elsewhere. I’ve moved around a lot and I’ve noticed this the most in this part of England.

My maths loving dd who isn't a massive sports person - keeps her head down- has enjoyed discussing permutations, goal difference, probability and trivia in equal measure. She's just had to face a personal setback - not got her first choice secondary school and is talking about Gareth Southgate's comments on "owning the process" when faced with a difficult situation.
Forgive me for smiling about that . And the result.

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