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Five year old waking me up early

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Jessie1991 · 30/06/2018 13:23

Hi there

I'm new here and not actually a parent; I'm a step parent to a lovely five year old girl, of whom I am very fond of. I just have a bit of a niggle which I am unsure of how to approach, as I don't have children, nor do I have younger siblings/younger family members, so I really am ill-equipped to understand what demands are reasonable when it comes to children, so please forgive any ignorance that I may demonstrate.

My partner's five year old is a very sweet girl, but she wakes up at about 6am (if I'm lucky!) and immediately comes through to our bedroom for 'cuddles' with her mother and I. Now I'm guessing most of you will be familiar with the fact that 'cuddles' in bed with a child usually means an elbow in the face, feet in your neck, lots of wiggling and generally an abrupt end to your peaceful night's sleep grin . She also chats a lot during this time, and lifts off my sleep mask (I need a sleep mask to block out the light and keep me asleep) ensuring thatI wake up, if the wiggling, elbow poking and chatting fails to do so sufficiently.
This may sound quite trivial to many of you, but this does prove to be problematic for me, as I suffer from chronic insomnia, and no matter how early I go to bed, I can often find that I do not fall asleep until the early hours of the morning (anytime between 2am and 5am), and when she's staying over with us (which is anywhere between three and seven days in a row) the repeated nights of having an average of three hours' sleep really makes me feel unwell and unhappy. I find I have a shorter temper and it reduces the quality of my life significantly. Newer research is also proving that long term lack of sleep is extremely detrimental to your health, increasing the risk of a lot of deadly diseases, so I don't feel that lack of sleep is an issue that should be ignored or taken lightly.
My conflict with this arises with the fact that I am aware that I don't feel that it is my place to prevent her from coming into her mother's bedroom to cuddle her in the morning, when this is obviously a routine that they have had for quite some time. Before I came along this was 'their time' that they had together in the morning, baring in mind that they don't spend everyday together due to sharing custody etc. and I am mindful of that.
I am due to move in with my partner in July, so this will be a more long term, persistent issue, that will mean that for 3-7 days per week, every week, I will not have anywhere near enough sleep, and will feel like utter crap. Also, I feel this could be really detrimental to my work life, especially if i'm required to work late, and need the time in the early morning to sleep. I hate to admit this to myself but the amount these unwanted early awakenings are making me suffer are beginning to cause me to feel a little resentment building, and this can't ever lead anywhere positive. It often takes me a few days to get over her visits and catch up on the lost sleep, and then she's back again. Don't get me wrong, she's lovely and I enjoy her company, but I struggle with how appalling I feel with the persistent lack of sleep when she's there.

I'm therefore looking for a resolve to this situation, but I'm not sure if requesting that the child doesn't come into the bedroom until a certain time (or at all wink ) is fair to the child, or reasonable? As I have said, I don't have kids (nor do I want to) so I don't know what is normal or reasonable to expect from them. I just know that I cannot exist happily with this lack of sleep, so need some help in formulating a reasonable solution/compromise whereby everyone's needs are accounted for.

Any advice welcome smile

OP posts:
VladmirsPoutine · 30/06/2018 17:40

Long term this isn't going to work. You don't have kids, nor do you want kids - being in a relationship with someone who has kids means that your life now involves kids. For better or for worse that's how it is. Step-parenting is a thankless task so you'd be well advised to bow out now. Once this set of problems have been remedied the next are quick on their way.

QueenAravisOfArchenland · 30/06/2018 17:40

Chronic sleep deprivation is a problem and it doesn't sound like it's safe for you to continue.

But it's not caused by this child getting up at a normal time. It's caused by not getting to bed/sleep until 3 or 4am. What good is squeezing an extra hour max going to do (I'm not opposed to use of a Gro-clock/small child staying in room for a bit, but 7am is absolutely the latest you can reasonably impose)?

EggysMom · 30/06/2018 17:43

Or ask her mum to get up with her every morning. If my DH did this mind and slept in till 8am our marriage wouldn't last long...but you could always as

Depends on what hours the mum sleeps - we do this at weekends Smile I like to go to sleep early, so I go to bed at 10pm and am happy to get up at 6am. DH goes to bed around 2-3am, and gets the weekend lie-in. It might seem unfair but it means I've had years of great sleep whilst DH does all the settling when our son refuses to sleep, re-settling when he has bad dreams etc. If I have to get up at 4 or 5am, I've still had a good five or more hours of quality sleep by that point.

The point is, we've made our disparity in sleep times work for us, rather than letting it cause stress.

Rachie1973 · 30/06/2018 17:49

I have to be honest, in your partners situation I wouldn't be changing my routine. She clearly has shared care, and it's something they have when together, their tradition, if you like. It doesn't last forever and it can be incredibly special.

You want a compromise where you don't have to actually compromise. That's just not fair.

HorribleSinger · 30/06/2018 17:50

Sorry but I have to roll my eyes at you a little bit.
Please do not have your own children if you can't sort your insomnia out...

I have had insomnia for years and years but it was never a problem until I got a bit older (late 20's - lol!)

I had a short term prescription for sleeping tablets and a strict bedtime routine which once the pills stopped, the routine was good in itself to settle the insomnia. It took a while and a lot of self control to actually follow through with the routine but it works so why mess with a good thing.

Allthewaves · 30/06/2018 17:51

Our own children - as soon as they appear in our bedroom, one of us gets up and takes them downstairs so other can sleep on.

HorribleSinger · 30/06/2018 17:54

The issue here is not the child at all - who's behaviour is normal.

It's the OP's behaviour (insomnia) - which is it normal and CAN be sorted.

Are you not getting up for work in the week anyway?

HorribleSinger · 30/06/2018 17:54

Correction;
Isn't not is it

myusernameisnotmyusername · 30/06/2018 17:59

Myself and my dp get up at the same time as our 5yo in the week-7am as we all have to go to school/Work. At the weekends we take it in turns and go downstairs with her. If she appears around 7 we try to get her to play in her room or look at a book for a bit. Sometimes we'll let her go downstairs by herself and watch a bit of tv but we only get around 20 minutes of that because obviously it's not fair to leave her on her own. It just helps us wake up a bit. I used to be quite grumpy about being woken up early as I'd go to bed late at weekends but then I realised from her point of view she's in bed early every night so why don't I adapt to her routine a bit. Remember 'this child' is adjusting too. I think your dp should take her downstairs and leave you to it if you have had a bad night but you will have to make allowances too.

Littlelambpeep · 30/06/2018 18:01

I have a three and four year old and they generally sleep until 8 and once they have breakfast they are ok for another while.

But in your case, the chjld is away from their mother for days at a time. So I kind of feel that they need this 'hug' and special time.

Maybe the child could sleep with your partner some nights ? You sleep in the child's room

Maybe see a gp about your health / insomnia concerns.

Saying this gently ... If you had your own child / or two children under 5 you may not get to sleep for two years. Maybe talk to your partner about the future / children?? How will you cope
Wishing you all the best.

Di11y · 30/06/2018 18:38

With my 4yo dd i have a gro clock and she knows to play until the sun comes up at 7, but in this situation the cuddle sounds like important bonding.

Maybe gro clock til 6.30 but tbh it'll clearly be instigated by you

Caterina99 · 30/06/2018 19:26

My 3 year old DS stays in his bedroom until 7am because of his gro clock. On a weekend one of us takes him and baby DD downstairs for breakfast and the other one gets a lie in. He doesn’t come in our room.

If your partner is willing to give up her morning cuddles then you could sleep later this way. But it depends if she sees an issue with the behavior

Kardashianlove · 30/06/2018 19:38

what suggestions would be reasonable to make if your DP is happy with the current arrangement then no suggestions are reasonable to make.

If your DP wants to change the situation then there are a few ways, setting a time limit (increasing gradually so say 5.30 for a few weeks, then 6, etc), using a growclock, returning her to bed. I’m sure your partner knows her DD best and which method she wants to use. It could be she just has a feeding nothing will work (as with some kids) and she’s waiting until she grows out of it herself. Or she may enjoy this time with her DD and be quite happy to allow it to continue.

I think this (like many situations that will arise in the future) is something you need to take a complete back seat on and allow your partner to instigate any parenting changes she sees fit.

There are probably other solutions you can try though to improve your sleep so may be worth starting a thread for suggestions.

Jessie1991 · 30/06/2018 19:40

ParkerPen- What on Earth are you talking about? You actually have no idea, and yet you think you do, which is amazing to me. My partner and I are extremely compatible thank you very much. You suggest that I am controlling towards this child, and yet you have no idea about my relationship with this child! This child is besotted with me, and I am besotted with her, simply because I don't wish to have a child of my own certainly does not mean that I don't love this one. I wouldn't change her for the world, and she wouldn't change me either. I'm very lucky to have such a loving and beautiful, relationship with my step daughter, I understand that, and simply because I have no desire to have one of my own, and don't already have one of my own, doesn't mean that my relationship 'simply won't work'. The whole notion of that is ridiculous quite frankly. I have known this child and been actively involved in her life for over two years now, I think I know what childcare entails.
My whole motivation for writing this was to consult with other experienced parents to ensure that anything I do about this (if anything) is done with absolute consideration towards the child. If all I cared about was my own lack of sleep I wouldn't have even written this post in the first place, there would be no conflict in my mind, i'd simply expect the child not to come into the bedroom without any consideration of how it may feel for her. As it happens my post was full of consideration for her, and in actual fact was largely motivated by my consideration towards her. I have no desire to 'ban' the child from cuddling her mother, I think I have made that explicitly clear in each and every post that I have made, yet I still receive such negative and hostile responses as if I'm some inconsiderate monster who wishes to come between the child and the parent. I have expressed care and understanding about not wishing to interfere with their relationship, and care immensely about how the child feels in this situation.

Without delving too deeply into my personal life and medical history with strangers over the internet; I will mention here that contrary to what most of the poster's responses imply here, I have literally done everything to cure my insomnia, it has a biological cause and 'simply going to bed earlier' actually doesn't work. I have had it since I was a child and if going to bed at 9pm each night cured it then believe me I would do that, work permitting! Please don't make sweeping assumptions about my motivation and the actions I have/haven't taken to cure my illness because you really don't have a clue.

Also, I understand the point about my insomnia being part of the problem, I agree that it is, however so is shift work, here. Sometimes even without insomnia I don't have the opportunity to get to bed until the early hours of the morning. I don't feel it is unreasonable to let me sleep if I have been working late and have several consecutive late shifts-I need to sleep in on these occasions in order to be ready for work later on, this is nothing to do with insomnia, this is my shift pattern. I literally cannot work seven consecutive late shifts on 3 hours worth of sleep each night. I get in at 3am and I'm woken up before 6am, and will not be able to fall back to sleep. My wages contribute to the household and help both mother and child as a result of this, and being able to work does depend on being able to sleep. I was hoping to find some balance that made it fair for everyone, not simply 'ban' the child from the bedroom. I have a very mentally demanding and emotionally taxing job in addition to this, I can't get away with being half asleep. Certainly my insomnia doesn't help but it is significantly worse to function when I am being woken up at 6am each and every day, regardless of how much sleep I have had. I know how I feel usually, and believe me I feel a lot worse and less able to function when I'm being woken up so early each and every day when I'm working shifts.

henpeckedinchief - Thank you for your supportive response, I think you are right here, this is prejudice towards me for not being the biological parent. I wouldn't mind at all being told in non patronising way that my expectations aren't feasible, but I'm really being spoken to as if I'm an ogre here and I feel that it is not only unfair, but unhelpful and simply isn't an accurate reflection of reality.

A few people on here have been kind and supportive towards me, even if their opinions pertain to my desires being unrealistic. Some have come up with some really helpful suggestions that make sense and are both fair to the child and myself, I will utilise these, and I'm so very grateful for the helpful, sensible inputs and support I have received. A lot of people however, have been unnecessarily hostile, condescending and have made sweeping judgments about not only my personality, motivations and relationship with my step-child, but also my relationship with my partner, for which I never required (or requested for that mattter). My relationships with both my partner and step daughter are extremely precious to me, and I don't take kindly to judgement of either of them, particularly when that judgement is that I should wipe my hands of both of them. Rather extreme, don't you think? I genuinely posted this in hope of some useful advice on how to fairly navigate a situation with regards to a child I love, I acknowledged my pitfalls and lack of experience and looked towards more experienced people for help and support. Many of you seem quite confident in your advice, and thank God for the child's sake that I don't 'just leave' my partner as you suggest! That certainly would not benefit the child who is very attached to me and can't wait for me to move in with them. Some of you may think that you are advocating for the child here, but following your flawed suggestions would do a lot more harm than good!

I feel I have found some more helpful advice elsewhere on the internet. Mumsnet, with a few exceptions, has overall been very disappointing in both the quality of the advice, and also in its delivery. I truly hope that the majority of you manage to find it within yourselves to show more kindness and tolerance towards your partners and children, than you have shown me. In fact I hope you treat everyone else you come across with more consideration have apportioned to me, for this is a poor example of an attitude, and it is not beneficial to pass that on to our younger generation. I will ensure my step daughter has a better example of how to relate to people.

OP posts:
CanaBanana · 30/06/2018 19:45

You could get a Gro Clock and teach the child to stay in her own room until a certain time. Apart from anything else I find it wholly inappropriate that the mother is permitting her little girl to get into bed with an unrelated, partially dressed man. The mother should be getting up with the child, not bringing her into bed to sleep with a boyfriend.

Josieannathe2nd · 30/06/2018 19:48

I hope you Don’t disappear before I press send...
My husband works late and so in the morning when a child appears I bundle them downstairs where we have blankets and cushions onthe sofa, we get drinks and have snuggles and books downstairs. I think it’s possible to change the routine for the child but still give them special quality time with their parent. I don’t know how much sleep/rest/free time your partner gets but you could perhaps do some more looking after your daughter at other times of the day if that works for your family? It’s hard being the one to get up every morning with a child but I thi you could make a different, but equally nice routine. My kids like cold mini pancakes- an easy treat to ease the transition...

MyKingdomForBrie · 30/06/2018 19:50

cana I think OP is a woman.

I just think the answer you want to hear isn't a reasonable one. You need another sleeping arrangement which means you aren't in the bed when the little one comes in. Either sofa, or swap to her bed, or when you move in move to a place with a spare room.

The DM is obviously happy with little one coming in and the baby loves to come in and cuddle up with her mummy. Making her wait and extra two hours for that is a huge change and takes away basically all that special time they currently have together.

Hidillyho · 30/06/2018 19:57

I think saying a 5yr old can’t come in your room until 8am (essentially leaving the 5yr old for up to 3hrs alone whilst awake) is very unreasonable.
I would probably speak to your partner and tell them the effect it’s having on you and asking if they would mind going to the living room from say 6am. It’s what we do in our house to make sure the other person is getting extra sleep

my2bundles · 30/06/2018 19:58

You have become a step parent. That means taking on the role f parent nvolving he things you don't like, that's what parents do. 6 am is not an unreasonable time for a 5 year old to wake up. My son at 5 used to wake at 4 am and only just sleeps untill 7.30 am at age 10. Your expectations are not realistic, I understand the sleep depravation,with my kids combined I had 18 yeas of it. But you are a parent now and parents deal with it. Thus is just the first in a very long line of difficult things to deal with as a parent, think about that now before you get further in.

Chrisinthemorning · 30/06/2018 20:09

Gro clock set for 7am would be a reasonable compromise. 8am is really late to expect a 5 year old to sleep in.
Other option- your partner gets up and goes for cuddles in DD bed, leaving you to lie in?

StuckSoutherner · 30/06/2018 20:17

I am sorry and I know it's hard to function without sleep. I speak as another insomniac. But unfortunately YABU to request that their time together be moderated. Our son gets in with me and hubby anywhere between 3 and 5am on average six nights a week. If you don't have a spare room you may need to consider a sofa bed, or speak to your partner and see about a couple of nights a week you sleep in daughters room and let daughter spend the full night in with Mum. I think it's worth having a chat with your partner about this as well, see what suggestions you can come up with together (or do as I have on occasion and sleep in the car if it's all just too much!!) good luck!

Vodawoah · 30/06/2018 20:26

I find these responses very surprising. My DH just can't function on not much sleep so I just get up with them. If not they'll snuggle on my side of the bed. Regardless I wouldn't dream of letting them poke at either of us or pull off a sleep mask or something.

HorribleSinger · 30/06/2018 20:26

Perhaps considering your insomnia you need to consider finding a job that does 'regular' daytime hours and focus on getting your bedtime routine in place.

Genuinely please speak to your doctor about sleeping pills in the short term too.

Insomnia IS completely curable, it's just different and difficult for some people how they go about doing it.

Colbu24 · 30/06/2018 20:28

My husband and I decided to sleep in separate bedrooms we had 2 back then. He needed sleep and I got to share with our little boy.
Not a perfect solution but worked for us. I didn't want him tired driving to work.
In a year or so your sd will wake a little later. We have a 12 year old now and normally we wake up earlier than him.
Don't regret asking for advice here. You always get the nasty harsh people at some point. Take the good advice and ignore the rest.

CanaBanana · 30/06/2018 21:32

cana I think OP is a woman.
Doesn't change the fact that the mother is permitting her child to be in bed with someone she's dating who is presumably not fully dressed.

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