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to think that Vegans shouldnt own pets?

104 replies

Tryagaintomorrow · 29/06/2018 11:00

we've just had the discussion at work and have concluded that if the animal is stray/rescued/injured/unwanted etc and would be killed without an owner then this is OK, however if the animal has been bred to sell then that is not OK as it goes against vegan beliefs of not using animals for commercial gain.
Of course there is the argument that no one should buy a pet whilst there are so many to be rehomed, but that's a different story.
Thoughts, have we missed something?

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littleHen84 · 29/06/2018 15:16

The potential issue with owning an animal is if it requires medication, to allow the medication to be licensed all contraindications/side effects to be known the medication would have been tested on another animal at some point in its infancy.

Boomerangs · 30/06/2018 23:11

Rescue animals are fine
I wouldn’t get an animal that would require meat e.g snake
Dogs and cats can both eat a specialised vegan diet.
Cats require taurine which is synthesised in pet food due to the awful quality of pet food anyway so whether it is added to vegan cat food or non vegan cat food which often contains ‘animal derivatives’ which could include cats from kill shelters it doesn’t matter what matters is the cat gets taurine

winniestone37 · 01/07/2018 09:02

Couldn't have put it better...

BitOfFun · 01/07/2018 09:08

Well, the is the first time I've encountered vegansplaining, so thanks for that Grin

BitOfFun · 01/07/2018 09:11

What's next- how many Hail Marys should a vegan say if they step on an ant?

feral · 01/07/2018 09:24

I'm a vegan and I have three cats.

Rescued ones. I'd never buy a pedigree from a breeder.

Yes they eat meat. They need it. I'd never consider making them vegan unless I wanted to kill them.

I'm a member of a Vegan group and 50% at least have cats or dogs. There is one vegan dog, a vegan diet for a dog is doable (not sure if the dog agrees but hey ho).

I've been veggie since 1989 and vegan since 2000. One thing I've realised is that people do what they can, and this is my effort. Some people give up meat 1 day a week, some just eat fish, some don't eat red meat... it all counts. I am vegan, my DS is veggie, my DH eats what he's given and sometimes cooks himself meat, and we have carnivorous cats.

PitterPatterOfBigFeet · 01/07/2018 09:43

Obviously YABU because people can become vegan for all kinds of reasons that aren't in contradiction with pet ownership. I know a fair few vegans and none of them have pets from breeders but I can imagine there are people around who are against killing animals or keeping them in bad conditions just to provide us with food but are not against having pets who are kept in good conditions.

hibbledibble · 01/07/2018 09:48

" vegan beliefs of not using animals for commercial gain "

You are making an assumption here. Vegan means someone who doesn't eat meat or any other animal products (egg, dairy, honey etc). For many this is a choice made for environmental reasons. You are applying your own definition to veganism, which is not strictly correct.

I am vegan. I have a pet dog. I got her before I became vegan, but she wasn't bred commercially. It would be rediculous to say that I should re-home a happy settled dog because I have become vegan. For me environmental and animal welfare reasons motivated the change to becoming vegan, but my dog is very loved and well cared for.

Shumpalumpa · 01/07/2018 09:58

we've just had the discussion at work and have concluded that if the animal is stray/rescued/injured/unwanted etc and would be killed without an owner then this is OK,

Who are you to 'conclude' vegans shouldn't have pets? It's got nothing to do with you, even if some of your best friends are vegan.

I'm a happy carnivore but if I was a vegan and you told me i shouldn't have pets, I would tell you where to go. Especially as you have dogs yourself.

claraschu · 01/07/2018 10:13

Everyone's life is a compromise. There is always another level of idealism you can go for if you want to. People can cut down on their consumption, try to eat more ethically sourced meat, become vegetarian, become vegan, become fruitarian, etc. Every time we live a considered life and try to make some changes, we are doing something good.

The people who piss me off are the ones who don't give their own wasteful habits a moment's thought and make fun of other people who are trying to do something positive (however flawed). Also irritating are the people who think they have achieved perfection and are extremely obnoxious about it.

thecatneuterer · 01/07/2018 10:21

I agree that anyone who is strongly motivated by animal welfare concerns, as most but not all vegans are, shouldn't buy pets but should get rescues.

SalemBlackCat · 01/07/2018 10:26

By PETA's beliefs, vegans aren't supposed to have pets because they believe animals should be free-roaming and not 'owned'. So pedigree/bought/rescued, it doesn't matter. According to their philosophy, no one should 'own' an animal.

madcatladyforever · 01/07/2018 10:28

Why shouldn't they? I was a vegan for ten years and fed my cats meat like normal people.

thecatneuterer · 01/07/2018 10:36

Well if that's what PETA really believes they are bonkers and I've just lost a lot of respect for them. I would like there to be far, far fewer cats and dogs in the world, so that only those that are wanted and can be cared for are born. But we are so far from that ideal that I can't see it happening in the next 500 years. So in the meantime it is the ethical thing to do to look after as many as possible of those that are here, while doing our best to ensure that we prevent as many as possible from being born.

PinkMojito · 01/07/2018 12:00

From: www.peta.org/about-peta/why-peta/pets/

We at PETA very much love the animal companions who share our homes, but we believe that it would have been in the animals’ best interests if the institution of “pet keeping”—i.e., breeding animals to be kept and regarded as “pets”—never existed. The international pastime of domesticating animals has created an overpopulation crisis; as a result, millions of unwanted animals are destroyed every year as “surplus. ”

This selfish desire to possess animals and receive love from them causes immeasurable suffering, which results from manipulating their breeding, selling or giving them away casually, and depriving them of the opportunity to engage in their natural behavior. They are restricted to human homes, where they must obey commands and can only eat, drink, and even urinate when humans allow them to.

Because domesticated animals retain many of their basic instincts and drives but are not able to survive on their own in the wild, dogs, cats, or birds, whose strongest desire is to be free, must be confined to houses, yards, or cages for their own safety.

This is a best-case scenario. Millions of dogs spend their lives outdoors on heavy chains in all weather extremes or are kept locked up in tiny chain-link pens from which they can only watch the world go by. Millions more are confined to filthy wire cages in puppy mills, forced to churn out litter after litter until they wear out, at which time they are killed or dumped at the local animal shelter. Even in “good” homes, cats must relieve themselves in dirty litterboxes and often have the tips of their toes amputated through declawing. Dogs often have to drink water that has been sitting around for days, are hurried along on their walks, if they even get walked, and are yelled at to get off the furniture or be quiet.

Most compassionate people never imagine that anyone could throw a litter of kittens out the window of a moving car, and they would certainly be shocked by PETA’s inches-thick files on cases of dogs and cats who have been shot with arrows, blown up with firecrackers, doused in gasoline and set on fire, cooked in microwave ovens, used as bait in dogfights, tortured in satanic rituals, beaten with baseball bats by bored kids, dragged behind cars to “teach them a lesson” for running away, or bound in duct tape to silence their barking. Abuses such as these occur every day.

Contrary to myth, PETA does not want to confiscate animals who are well cared for and “set them free.” What we want is for the population of dogs and cats to be reduced through spaying and neutering and for people to adopt animals (preferably two so that they can keep each other company when their human companions aren’t home) from pounds or animal shelters—never from pet shops or breeders—thereby reducing suffering in the world.

Iwasjustabouttosaythat · 01/07/2018 12:00

PETA are well known for being quite militant...

thecatneuterer · 01/07/2018 12:48

Ah, well reading that then I completely agree with PETA. I too would like the deliberate (and non deliberate) breeding of pets to be eradicated. I agree with everything in that statement above.

thetemptationofchocolate · 01/07/2018 13:36

they must obey commands and can only eat, drink, and even urinate when humans allow them to.

I do wonder what kind of animals PETA are referring to here. If I tried to command a cat it would just sneer at me and have a wash. As for stopping a guinea pig from weeing anywhere it wants to, well good luck with that.

I am not a PETA fan at all. They have an extremely low rehome rate and will put thousands of cats & dogs to sleep every year. If they were serious about the last paragraph they would make more of an effort to rehome than they appear to do.

thecatneuterer · 01/07/2018 13:39

thetemptation - yes that's a fair enough point. OK I don't agree with 100 per cent of the statement, but with the majority of it and with the general sentiment I certainly do.

Most of the large charities aren't great in practice. I don't know about PETA, but the RSPCA certainly has many failings.

Barbaro · 01/07/2018 13:53

I know a vegan that spent a lot of money on a horse for competition purposes. They are very much against animals being used for meat, any animal. And post regularly about it.

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 01/07/2018 14:04

My vegan rescued guinea pigs (we have 3 at the moment) are ver' ver' professionally offended by the term "Pet" and wish to be known as "Animal Companions"

They are smug in the knowledge that we drove a fair few miles to get them, and pay for them (a small animal rescue) and at any time in their life the Rescue will take them back if they decide they don't want to live with me.

Eyes up Lazy Hogs in garden. Won't be any time soon Wink

lljkk · 01/07/2018 18:15

Taurine has to be added to commercial cat food because it's cooked, not because it's "bad quality". Cooking makes meat safe & have a decent shelf life, but destroys the taurine. AFAIK.

ReyofLight · 01/07/2018 19:11

Vegans should NEVER have pets if they are going to FORCE it onto a plant/veg diet. This is unnatural and against nature! They have to accept that the animal NEEDS the meat in order to live and either be willing to feed it meat or not have the pet altogether. I know that vegan sites sell vegan pet food and it is scary quite frankly that this exists. Cats, for example, are made to eat meat and get all of their nutrition from it, even fluids. To put a cat on a vegan diet is cruelty. It's health will quickly suffer. The first sign will be a change in hair, happiness and energy levels. It may even attempt eating unnatural things as it's health gets worse and will obviously be hungry for real protein.

My38274thNameChange · 01/07/2018 19:37

I know 3 vegans. 2/3 have pets (one a dog and one a cat) but they had them when they were vegetarian rather than vegan so that might be why.

Unfortunately the dog owning vegan is batshit and has recently announced her intention on Facebook to feed her dog a vegan diet Hmm

Ihuntmonsters · 01/07/2018 20:34

Where I live people have started to say that they eat a plant based diet rather than saying they are vegan if they have chosen to change their diet (mostly for health or environmental reasons) but don't subscribe to vegan beliefs about not exploiting animals for any reason. I would have thought vegans would find it very annoying when people tell everyone that they are vegans but only partially adopt their belief system in a similar way that vegetarians get annoyed with people who say they are vegetarian but eat (for example) fish.

The ethics of pet ownership is an interesting area to discuss. I have a dog and two cats. My dog is currently on a lot of medication for a heart problem that can be caused by dietary deficiencies. I hope that the drugs and supplements he is now on will buy him a few years and give him a normal lifespan. There is no way I would consciously chose to risk his health for my beliefs, that seems really contrary to a focus on animal welfare. My cats are hunters. Even if I forced them onto a plant based diet they would still be responsible for the death of many animals, the only way to avoid that would be to effectively keep them prisoner which would make them very unhappy indeed. So I can't see how cat ownership squares with vegan beliefs. That said most people make compromises of one sort or another for all sorts of reasons.