Cultural appropriation

[Londonerlove]

AIBU to be totally annoyed by cultural appropriation.
I read this today and though wtf!

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/newsbeat-44572555

I’m not a fan of kim but if she wants her hair in braids she can have her hair in braids?

Shouldn’t this be praised rather than attacked?
Is eating pasta cultural appropriation?

@ohmydays in Italy you’d have southerners and northerners argue who make a better pizza 😂😂😂.

I think through the food argument we can see It’s pretty petty.

@strongmummy they took tote connect on board though?
You hummus argument proves how far we have come with integration and acceptance. When I say integration I mean the English acceptance of different cultures.

*took your comment on board

When I read not a fan of Kim I immediately assumed people meant the leader of North Korea! Now there is a hair style.

As I say, I wasn’t correcting her pronunciation , she was correcting mine. Whether she still pronounces hew-moss is up to her. I hope she doesn’t correct other Arab’s pronouncing it in future tho 🤣

I don’t think I’ve ever typed the word hummus as much in my life !!!

Not sure if it's been mentioned, it's a long thread, but why is it ok for a man to appropriate my gender?

Strongmummy, you've got a chip on your shoulder the size of Jordan. You might be less angry at the world if you just live and let live. Life isn't fair. Don't take things so personally. Most people are not out to get you.

lost, interesting. So due to the upset you felt, you know exactly what I mean by cultural appropriation.

Yes.

Strongmummy Plenty of non-native English speakers misprounounce Yorkshire Pudding. Next time I hear someone mispronounce it I am going to have a word about cultural appropriation and how offence it is. The correct pronounciation is York-sheer Pudd-ing.

Jordan is only a little country so that’s ok. I’m definitely not angry at the world and am very thankful to live a very privileged lifestyle. I do think we should all be kinder to each other and more thoughtful, especially those of us who are white (which includes me)

Lost, you’ve missed the point about CA (yet again) and I’m tired of explaining.....and to think you’ve got so much right to be offended due to your Sephardic heritage ............🤔

Towns too - when I was a little girl we had Peking, Bombay (where my granny sailed to in 1921), Burma and peoples eskimoes. I think we've been doing pretty well in changing how we say things when we originally bastardised the local language to suit an English ear.

My son makes his own hummus but I don't like it actually. I do like peas in the pods but otherwise not much of a legume fan.

Satchell it has and you are quite right. very bloody annoying but another thread
Although the link is there.

I do think this issue has been highlighted and it’s wortj s debate but in general I think it’s a trivial one and looking outward is better then looking inward.

That’s not to say that people drive other people insane. My welsh mum was once told by a friend she liked wales(good of her) but the way people spoke welsh in the shop when she was there was rude.

Idiot.

My oldest son makes sushi! I tried it and obviously being a loving mum said it was delicious. It was vile I hate sushi. He has now made it most times we visit and I can’t now tell him it’s hideous can I?

Yes I am kind of understanding CA can be annoying but I also think at base it’s a petty annoyance.
I don't think it's petty. For example, the experience I gave with the woman assuming all South Asian garments to be Indian, you put that down to general ignorance/laziness/stupidity and that people will always be like this so I should just 'let it go' or whatever. I'm guessing you would call my annoyance at this situation petty. But after going through my whole life getting abuse from people telling me we're all a bunch of pakis, that we all look the same, that there's no difference we're all terrorists, it does matter to me that people so often generalise billions of people.

@taco I agree, although your experiences are going to be far more overt and offensive than mine as I’m white.

Out of context some things may seem petty, but when they happen again and again, the hurt builds and builds. Against a back drop of ignorance and racism that still exists in the UM the feelings it can create really aren’t petty at all.

I’m just really sad that some people on this thread can’t see that.

Yeah. I really dislike the attitude of ‘things are a lot better than before, we’re more integrated now, so you should keep quiet and not complain’. I’m not sure that just ignoring and keeping quiet will help better the really bad instances of CA. It also feels a little like you should be grateful that things are better and I think it’s petty because it doesn’t affect me.

Just like racism, it took many people getting involved and saying that it’s unfair to get to the situation we have today - where it’s generally seen as a bad thing. There was a time before when racism was just a part of life and not seen as bad, if everyone just left it would we be where we are today?

Perhaps, as we (or if we) move more towards equality, then issues like this are going to appear petty to those that it doesn’t affect. But, does that mean that people should stop talking about it?

@downthedtrada but we wouldn’t be here today without acceptance. That includes any race. No ones saying leave it. I think it’s importance to address things e.g. Alan Sugars disgusting post about Senegal. But how can we move forward if we continue to be offended with non issues. Obviously that’s my POV.
@strongmummy (I think) mentioned a while back that she didn’t see improvements in racism. If people continue to believe that then racism will never die.
Also I spell it houmous but was too scared to write that in case I was given a lecture.

What I’m saying is that it may be a non-issue to you, but clearly it is an issue to others. I really don’t want to tell people to keep quiet about things that they think are issues.

Maybe @strongmummy hasn’t actually seen any improvements. Maybe that’s her experience. I have seen some, in some ways but many things are exactly the same as when I was younger. I really can’t tell strongmummy not to talk about her experiences.

No it wasn’t me who mentioned anything about improvements or lack there of in racism. However, improvements or not, it still exists. It hasn’t been eradicated. And actually for Arabs (and anyone who “looks muslim”) it’s pretty shitty at the moment. Please remember that until recently we couldnt fly with lap tops to the US coz we’re all bloody terrorists apparently! I sit here in a place of privilege as I don’t look like what I am, but I’m obviously more attuned racism towards Arabs as it effects my relatives.

As white people it really isn’t our place to tell non white people whether the situation is better or worse because we have no first hand experience of it.

Also Please feel free to spell hummus anyway you like. In Arabic it’s written differently anyway so the English spelling is pretty free form

@downthestrada you must see that with those views there will never be progression?
Honestly I’d rather be against the problem than part of. Some comments on here clearly show that a lot of people are part of the problem.
So many different debates on different areas of CA which show people aren’t clear where to draw the line. One of my examples being local supermarkets having ‘foods from the world aisles’
Being part of the problem is cultural appropriation and being against is cultural appreciation. All very fine lines which people can’t distinguish.

@strongmummy of course it hasn’t been eradicated but I’m hoping for improvements.
You’re generalising white people the same way your family have been.

No, I accept where the improvements are and still highlight where further improvements are needed. Why ignore or lie?

I honestly, think it’s taken actual people to put themselves out there and try and improve things regarding racism- to get to the point where we are. I think that’s a good thing.

Whatever the issue is - I would rather not ignore, silence people and just sit and hope and wait for something better.

@downthestrada fight racism not CA. But that’s my POV and don’t expect all to agree.
After this thread I genuinely feel anxious about what I might say in case I offend someone. I think people have too much to worry about generally without adding the anxiety of possibly offending someone.
Like I said why not treat it as appreciation? Surely it’s a good thing that Sainsbury have made Caribbean food more accessible to all?