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Cultural appropriation

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Londonerlove · 23/06/2018 17:32

AIBU to be totally annoyed by cultural appropriation.
I read this today and though wtf!

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/newsbeat-44572555

I’m not a fan of kim but if she wants her hair in braids she can have her hair in braids?

Shouldn’t this be praised rather than attacked?
Is eating pasta cultural appropriation?

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Londonerlove · 25/06/2018 18:47

@strongmummy you’ve had some very strong views on this thread. From reading your posts I feel you emanate anger, resentment and hate.
Who are you angry at?
That is a genuine question.

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Gilead · 25/06/2018 18:50

@tacolover you are essentially saying it’s inappropriate for a white woman to wear a sari. Why?
Taco explained why, pretty clearly. It's called white feminism.

Londonerlove · 25/06/2018 18:53

@strongmummy yes of course but it’s not just black people who are subjected to racism. I’m white and have had racist abuse hurled at me by white and black people. When people hurl abuse at my grandparents it angers me. But I won’t allow a few isolated incidents to make me stereotype. I was once called a white bitch. I don’t blame every blank person for that. It’s absurd!

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Londonerlove · 25/06/2018 18:56

@gilead my point being is that I don’t agree. I have very limited time in my life and I’m not spending it getting offended by non issues.

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Strongmummy · 25/06/2018 18:59

@london, yes I do have strong views on this issue as do many other people who have experienced racism directly or witnessed their families being abused. I am frustrated how people like you can’t be respectful of others and look at their own behaviour and consider why it may be insensitive. Time and time again on this thread it has been explained to you why white people wearing the clothes of another (oppressed) culture is upsetting to many of that culture. You have chosen to ignore their explanations and not acknowledge that hurt. That is pretty upsetting.

I ask you again, are people not allowed to feel upset when they’ve experienced racism or does standing up against racism mean they are divisive? Genuine question, what should people do?

MariaMadita · 25/06/2018 19:00

White people that wear a keffiyeh often seem like militant far left extremists to me personally.

I'm obviously aware that this isn't necessarily true but I'm a bit cautious when white / European looking people are wearing one. (Obviously depends on the overall situation etc...)

Which is potentially unfair to those people but also to people who do have a cultural background where wearing a keffiyeh is normal (but look "white" / more northern European...)

Not sure what my point is. But I feel like it's sometimes a bit difficult, tbh?

Being respectful (so certainly not like the woman that claimed her dress was 'vintage' and that there's no difference between India and Bangladesh...) and trying to stay open-minded is imo really important.

One of my aunts married an Indian man and she got realy beautiful mehendi. it was obviously still visible after the wedding...

Idk, some people might call that cultural appropriation and be offended if they saw a white woman wearing it / just walking around casually dressed (after the wedding)...

Gilead · 25/06/2018 19:03

I have very limited time in my life and I’m not spending it getting offended by non issues.
Aww, thanks for that absolutely classic example of white feminism. You have no time for issues raised by someone who has different experiences and are just bloody rudely dismissed them.

Londonerlove · 25/06/2018 19:04

@strongmummy actually I am one of those women you describe but I refuse to be angered or offended, otherwise I will feel resentment, which is something I don’t want.
When I see anyone, not just white people adopting my culture I feel pride. Genuine pride.

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Strongmummy · 25/06/2018 19:04

@london, I don’t think you understand structural racism. Being called a white bitch is incredibly rude and offensive. But you are white, as am I. We are not structurally discriminated against because of our colour. Indeed, being white is a bonus in this society.

Strongmummy · 25/06/2018 19:05

@london, what is your culture may I ask? Also, that’s great for you. But others don’t feel the same, at all.

Strongmummy · 25/06/2018 19:08

@maria I don’t get your point either Hmm

Londonerlove · 25/06/2018 19:11

@strongmummy I’d rather not say as I’m paranoid about outing myself.
If it helps I am not from an oppressed culture. Although my family made decisions to oppose their country during a certain period of time.

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Londonerlove · 25/06/2018 19:12

@strongmummy do you not think calling someone a white/black birch is racism? I certainly do.

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Londonerlove · 25/06/2018 19:12

*bitch

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Strongmummy · 25/06/2018 19:14

I absolutely think calling someone a black bitch is racist! I think calling someone a white bitch is offensive, but not racist for the reason I gave above

Londonerlove · 25/06/2018 19:14

Funnily enough it was actually a racist regime my family opposed.

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Londonerlove · 25/06/2018 19:15

@strongmummy 😮😮😮 I don’t know what to say. I’m genuinely horrified and so saddened there are still people with your mindset in this world.
Honestly don’t know what to say to that.

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Londonerlove · 25/06/2018 19:17

That’s a whole new thread.
AIBU to think calling someone a black bitch racist but calling someone a white bitch isn’t racism, just offending.
@strongmummy start the thread and post link here.

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Londonerlove · 25/06/2018 19:18

I seriously hope you are the only person on this thread who agrees with that comment. I feel like I’ve a bit of hope in humanity tonight.

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Londonerlove · 25/06/2018 19:18

*lost

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Gilead · 25/06/2018 19:20

and that's how some of us feel London reading what you've just written. I'm very firmly with strongmummy.
You clearly do not understand the structure and politics of racism.

Strongmummy · 25/06/2018 19:21

@london, I might start the following thread “AIBU to think that some people are too dense to understand structural racism”

Londonerlove · 25/06/2018 19:22

@gilead OMG. Genuine heart drop. Don’t know what to say apart from I feel ashamed that someone believes that.

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Londonerlove · 25/06/2018 19:23

@strongmummy start the thread, let’s see the responses you get.
Very intrigued.

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Londonerlove · 25/06/2018 19:24

Do you think the law will see it like that?
You must be above the law I guess.

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