Cultural appropriation

[Londonerlove]

AIBU to be totally annoyed by cultural appropriation.
I read this today and though wtf!

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/newsbeat-44572555

I’m not a fan of kim but if she wants her hair in braids she can have her hair in braids?

Shouldn’t this be praised rather than attacked?
Is eating pasta cultural appropriation?

micah are you white?
Did you really just try and school me on mixed race hair?
That is actually very funny

TheFirstMrsDV

affluent women are ripping the piss out of working class women and they are doing it in a place where those women have been going for a quite drink for decades

Yes, I understand.

It's not really comparable to someone simply liking and having a hairstyle (or other things from a different culture or social class) imo, btw.

Simply because this sounds more like mocking / having 'in jokes' than simply appreciating (and to a certain extent imitating)) something

Of course you can find it offensive. Any one can be offended by anything but what you don’t get to do is to dictate to others how they should dress and behave to save your feelings.

You don’t get to control others

But you are dictating to Irish people that they are not allowed to consider themselves as oppressed because their racism is "historic"

I do think there are conversations to be had around racism and black women's hairstyles causing problems for them in the workplace but the social media shaming and obsession over the Kardashians braiding their hair or some poor teenager wearing Chinese garb to prom is convoluting the issue and turning it into something ridiculous.

Valid points have been cheapened and twisted by 'woke' people being chronically offended on behalf of others.

Incidentally, I work with a Chinese lady whose mother makes traditional chinese dresses to sell on Etsy. When the kid at prom went viral she insisted the Chinese enjoy sharing their culture and chinese dress makers want westerners to adopt their fashions because traditional dress in China is fading from fashion and dress makers are struggling.

Braids in all styles have been worn throughout history by all races and cultures. And it's hair, let people enjoy it and enjoy styling and playing with it like they always have. KK wearing her hair in a style her daughter picked out for her is sweet. It's not racist. It's not oppressing black women, it's a mother bonding with her daughter over their hair.

@TheFirstMrsDV it's completely shit, I agree.

@notme - are u addressing that at me? If so 1) I said I don’t “celebrate” st Patrick’s day coz I’m Anglo Arab and I think it would be inappropriate and disrespectful to do so 2) I clearly said that the Irish can feel offended by the English, but to claim you are still oppressed (in the same vain as people of colour) is ludicrous

It's not really comparable to someone simply liking and having a hairstyle (or other things from a different culture or social class) imo, btw.

It's exactly the same thing. It's fashionable to do these things when the 'right' people do it. That sums up cultural appropriation.

So my children's kinder celebrated Eid. Was this wrong?

@ohmy - no one is dictating how you dress. We’re saying THINK about other people’s feelings when you wear something from another culture. I can’t control what you wear and have no interest in doing so. I can think you’re insensitive for wearing that culturally has no meaning to you

I just can't get my head around all these Rules.

@notme, I assume they celebrated Eid as there are Muslim children in the class and to be respectful and highlight different religions? Why on Earth would that be wrong? I don’t get how you don’t see the difference

So it's wrong for you to celebrate St Pat's day but fine for me to celebrate Eid?

Strongmummy
Usually when people wish to show love, care and solidarity to anyone, who is made to feel oppressed the most overt way to do this is to adopt their appearance. I would have thought it far more productive for people, who are not black or mixed race to help push the boundaries by wearing their hair in say braids to work. Not to copy but to co exist. By dictating to others what is and isn’t acceptable on any side of an issue or debate, ill feeling becomes increased. If I thought I could do something like this for the good of my fellow woman, I would gladly do it. Not to be showy or to get attention. But because I care.

"I just can't get my head around all these Rules."

You don't have to. There aren't any.

i said I don’t celebrate St Patrick’s day as I am
AngloArab

Seriously unclench.

You can celebrate anything you want honestly it’s called living

Frequency

Well said

So my children's kinder celebrated Eid. Was this wrong?

Is that kindergarten, like nursery? Sorry! If so, are there Muslim children in the class? My primary and my DS's primary had/has a Muslim majority and so eid was celebrated in the same was Christmas is, and rightly so. If there's no Muslim children then replicating some of the traditions and celebrations is fine. It's for the purpose of learning and understanding other religions and cultures. Awareness and understanding and thus respect is how we remove racism and ignorance of other religions/cultures, which will eventually make cultural appropriation a non-issue, because it wouldn't exist without racism and oppression in the first place.

Are you going to acknowledge my reply to you earlier Bertrand, made in good faith?

@mummy so you’d ignore the wishes of the women here who are saying they find it offensive? How kind of you. As an Arab I would NOT appreciate you wearing the keffiyeh as a fashion statement. It would offend me, but please go ahead and make me feel at home 🙄

Can I ask would you actually say those words in RL that you think it’s disrespectful to celebrate st Patrick’s day as you are not Irish? Out loud to real people?

@notme, I ain’t Irish why would I? Also (as a personal thing) I think it’s disrespectful for me to do it. If my Irish friends invited me to celebrate I’d go of course

I assume they celebrated Eid as there are Muslim children in the class and to be respectful and highlight different religions?

I am also assuming the non Muslim kids didn't go home to a house full of non Muslim relatives gathering with food and presents to celebrate Eid.
The school/nursery things are a nod towards inclusion. They are not a wholesale pinching of a cultural/religious event.

@ohmy, yes and I have. Even to my MIL who is Irish 🙄

Yes I would wear what ever I choose. If that offends you tough.

No one dictates to me or my dds what they can wear. If you are offended so be it. That is your problem.

Strongmummy
Now you’re being fucking ridiculous. I didn’t say I want to dress in a keffiyeh or I want to offend you. I actually said the complete opposite. Talk about putting words in my mouth. Go ahead. Be professionally offended and have fun rolling your eyes.