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AIBU?

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To get the rage at some people’s obsession with labelling themselves?

125 replies

gimmestrengf · 19/06/2018 08:08

I’m a medical professional with a very particular neurology niche which I write about and practice in.

It’s one of these topics which has become popularised recently and the popularised version of it attributes labels to people and puts people in certain neuro boxes or categories. If I try and think of a well-known equivalent, I would say it’s a bit like astrology where you can be a Taurus or a Libra or any of the other “sun signs”, and there are personality profiles and they’re associated with different traits and looks and types.

I have written a few papers and been featured in some articles about it too.
Also due to research, my home is full of books relating to the specialism and there are little hints of it everywhere, purely because it has been such a huge part of my working life.

Whenever anyone - family, friend, acquaintance, stranger, workman - comes over to my house or sees any part of that life or that I do what I do, they ALL say, “oh, you MUST tell me about me...”

I shared a really important piece of research regarding the topic on social media the other day, and all the comments from people I knew were “you need to do me - you’ve never checked me.”

I wrote about it in a journal last year, and the response over text and email from friends was “why won’t you test me? I need that done.”

I won an award five years ago and guess what my family and friends response was? “Oh, you won it for that thing you do? I need you to do me sometime.”

It’s treated like some kind of party trick and not my job or something for people who have quite serious problems. At weddings people bring it up. The last wedding I went to someone said “gimme strengf diagnoses X conditions.
Go round the table and tell us all what we are. Come on! It’s so and so’s wedding day!”

It drives me completely mad that people’s first response to something which is actually quite complex to diagnose, often inaccurate and defining it is actually only relevant to certain people with much bigger problems my friends can imagine is: “ME. What about me? What type am I? What category am I in? can you just take a quick guess? Go on -I’m your friend/relation/builder. But you see me every day! Surely you must have noticed what type I am?”

I’ve had friends be upset with me for not examining them, or after a few drinks at a party drunkenly imply I am withholding information about them like a power trip. One friend stole some of my textbooks off my shelf to try and diagnose herself and then presented me the next week with various pages bookmarked where she had tried to narrow her “type” down and wanted me to confirm yes or no.

Another filled in one of these popular internet questionnaires about the topic and sent me 6 screen shots of her answers over wats app, and said she was confused about her “result,” and posed it like it was some intellectual question and she’d already done most of the legwork for me and I just had to say yes or no, X or Y. Another friend after doing something similar now uses a hastag on all social media posts after self diagnosing her type. For eg, the astrology equivalent would be #libra #libragoals #libralife #thelibrastruggle #librasurvivor #libradiagnosis

From strangers and people I meet in a functional way I get “I bet you’ve already seen what i am haven’t you? I’m a type A aren’t I? Funnily enough we always suspected old aunt jean was a type A. It’s An interesting story actually. Oh that’s a funny face! Must be a bad thing then. Is it bad?”

I know it is normal human curiosity. I know it is the fault of popularised science that people see quite complex, pathological things as fitting neatly into types and boxes and having some personal relevance to them, but it is so self absorbed.

I am kind and friendly about it on the surface. I try and help people if I can. In the past and in the beginning when I had more tolerance for it, I would actually make a few educated guesses with disclaimers when asked questions, but guess what? It’s not that easy and it would never stop there. “But surely i’m not bordering on A? I don’t fit the (google/Wikipedia) description of that type at all. I always thought I was B. Why am I A and not B? Did I tell you about great uncle sammy who always did X?”

But it makes me internally bang my head against the wall about humanity, the complete and utter self obsession of it all. And even worse, even if people are completely self obsessed, that they are not self aware enough to try and tone it down?

Imagine if the only response your best friend or family members ever had to your lifelong career achievements was “but what about me? You must tell me about me!”

To me this is my life’s work. It tires me and frustrates me and it is terribly under researched and inaccurate and not like the popular version at all. I tell people that but it doesn’t put them off. And I know that all I am ever going to get for the rest of my life from people I know is “please tell me what I am.”

I’m looking really, to know whether AIBU. But also to understand more what gets my goat about this so much. Would it bother you if that was all people were ever asking you for?

OP posts:
FaFoutis · 19/06/2018 09:57

I think your parents did not praise you enough OP.

ILostItInTheEarlyNineties · 19/06/2018 09:59

Yes TerfsUp
Op "My dh refuses to lift a finger at home, he's rude to me and ignores the children"
Several posters "Give the poor man a break, he's obviously autistic"

CauliflowerBalti · 19/06/2018 10:00

I don't think it's limited to narcissistic types, or modern society. I lie about what I do for a living because if I tell the truth, I get asked to solve problems for free that people pay me money for so I can pay my bills. By strangers. You help your family and friends, but not the electrician you met 5 minutes ago, or the man that runs the picture framing shop.

I tell people I'm a receptionist unless I am fully prepared for the request for help.

LagunaBubbles · 19/06/2018 10:02

Im soooo curious what personality disorder you are talking about OP! Grin

MoonsAndJunes · 19/06/2018 10:12

Im soooo curious what personality disorder you are talking about OP! grin

I'm wondering the same... I'm guessing holistic therapy.

MoonsAndJunes · 19/06/2018 10:13

I'm guessing OP practices holistic therapy.

youngerself · 19/06/2018 10:15

I'm a psychiatrist
'Oh you're analysing me' 'ooh I need to see you'
I only manage a weak smile now Confused

AuntyJackiesBrothersSistersBoy · 19/06/2018 10:18

BigBlueBus my son has asd. I have Aspergers. I don’t mind my label in that I now KNOW why I am as I am. My son HATES his condition. He doesn’t find anything “trendy” about his struggle with asd.

Lottapianos · 19/06/2018 10:18

'You've posted a huge rant which essentially centres around the fact that your work is far too specialist and important for everyday folk to comprehend or appreciate'

That's NOT what OP is saying. At all.

BuenosAires · 19/06/2018 10:21

I get this as well in my profession, but I don't think this is actually the point the Op is making. She is not complaining about people asking her about her work or for free advice/consultation - she is complaining about the seemingly current trend where people want to label themselves or their friends/relatives as having some sort of personality disorder or mental health condition.

The amount of times you hear people saying that they think such and such is 'on the spectrum' or 'is a narcissist' all based upon their own (unqualified) observations about this persons behaviour. Or alternatively, they want to blame some of their own unfortunate traits on having some sort of 'condition' (with no real diagnosis)

I have noticed this a lot too.

UtterlyDesperate · 19/06/2018 10:23

I hear you, OP - some people can be incredibly self-centred and inappropriate: when is it ever appropriate to ask for professional advice in a social setting?! It's perfectly possible to show interest in someone else's work without angling for a freebie or worse Hmm

ALittleAubergine · 19/06/2018 10:23

Yanbu, it would annoy me as well. Thankfully my job is so boring that people can't wait to change the subject when I mention it. Suits me fine.

toomuchtooold · 19/06/2018 10:25

Threads on here are awash with personality type labelling, "I'm an introverted extrovert with pessimistic tendencies" and casual diagnosis "My MIL and SIL are both narcissists and I suspect my FIL is a sociopath because they didn't invite me to stay at Christmas

I get what you're saying, and I also cringe when I see people using these terms so casually, but it can be of tremendous help to victims of abusive people to understand a bit about how cluster B personality disorders and psychopathy usually play out. I'd never heard of personality disorders until 2015 when I sat and watched Tangled - Disney's Rapunzel - with my kids. They were just sat there watching this standard Disney film but I couldn't move because I was watching Mother Gothel - subtly controlling, undermining, never moving out of fake niceness into proper scary nastiness until she needed to - and it was like my mother, up on the screen. And I googled "my mother is like Mother Gothel on Tangled" or somesuch and I came eventually to the wikipedia entry on narcissistic personality disorder and to the Raised By Narcissists reddit, and as well as describing things I would have told you about my mother that I knew were a bit off, they also mentioned things that she'd done that I'd forgotten or just sort of dismissed because they didn't make any sense, and it was like a light going on in my head. And it was - from there - a very short step to realise how emotionally abusive my mother had been, not just in my childhood, but was continuing to be. I went to therapy and I was very quickly able to share some typical examples of how my mother behaved and the therapist was able to confirm for me that that behaviour was abusive and we were able to work from there.

I think that people who are against armchair diagnoses would prefer if I had been able to get straight from my mother's behaviour to the insight that it was abusive, but that wouldn't have been possible for me. It's about being able to fit the behaviour to a pattern. So much of it is senseless, or comes under plausible deniability - it was only when I could see it as a whole under the blanket term of NPD that it made any sense. There's a lot of shite written about abuse and motherhood, people who don't believe that women can be abusers, or that mothers can be - my family and wider society in general insisted to me that there were benign reasons for each separate instance of my mother's behaviour ("she's only worried about you").

I've also come across the idea that those of us with abusive relatives are looking to borrow the authority of psychiatrists by using these terms. Personally I'd be happy to ditch any whiff of authority that the NPD label confers and find a new name for them, as long as I was sure that other people would also be able to find the information as readily as I did. But I also think that for some people coming out of codependent relationships with - well, let's just call them abusive arseholes, because that's what they are - they're not ready to be angry, not straight away, they're still looking to help and understand the person. So the idea of a mental illness is a low-stakes way of sharing the information with them.

OfaFrenchmind2 · 19/06/2018 10:27

Ohh, I see some of the responses have gone bitchy. God forbid a woman correctly estimate and value her work and accomplishments....
YANBU OP, being able to be recognised for doing a great and important work should not make you fair game to any fucker wanting to be yoooonique. Your time off should be just that, off.

TaytoAllDay · 19/06/2018 10:32

YABU

Because if you understand human nature, then you should realise people always have a natural curiosity about themselves, and how others perceive them.

Any job I've done that is remotely interesting, people always ask questions about it.

Not quite how that is maddening.

user1485342611 · 19/06/2018 10:34

I don't see it too much in real life, but on MN the amount of labelling and diagnosing of conditions is ridiculous. Every badly behaved child has special needs, everyone who feels shy or a bit uncomfortable in crowds has social anxiety and so on.

It must be annoying for those who genuinely suffer from these conditions or has a child with SN.

flakesaretasty · 19/06/2018 10:38

Medical professional? Neurology Niche? Is what you do evidence based/fitting the scientific model? I'm not sure anything neurological and medical can be compared to astrology? It all sounds very subjective.

Is it the enneagram or something? From what you've described, it doesn't sound like you diagnose personality disorders, as it's rare someone goes 'Oooo! me me me! Am I histrionic? Or dysthymic? Or OCD? Ooooo, am I Emotionally Unstable???! Tell me!"

If you tell people you have a career putting people in boxes, they will ask what box you think they fit in. Tell people you're an actuary, or you're a data transponster, whatever, if you don't want them to ask.

ILostItInTheEarlyNineties · 19/06/2018 10:41

TooMuch I was being a bit glib there. I see your point.

Recognising the psychology or personality "type" or flaws(?) would be of benefit to a person trying to understand the reasons behind certain behaviour. Particularly in your case where you're trying to makes sense of how a parent can be abusive.

CloudPop · 19/06/2018 10:45

There's a mum at school who is a GP and people see it as open surgery time at the school gates. "do you think this is ...", "could you take a quick look at ...". She's quite good at politely telling them to make an appointment at their surgery but it must be incredibly annoying

BertieBotts · 19/06/2018 10:45

I teach English in Germany and it astounds me sometimes DC's friends' parents will quiz their children about what English they have learned at my house?? It's a playdate not an English lesson.

ILostItInTheEarlyNineties · 19/06/2018 10:45

The OCD label is a classic example of how people like to label themselves. I like my house tidy, I arrange my cushions in a particular way, I'm so OCD! I suppose they're joking I mean OCD is a serious debilitating mental condition. Confused

JaneJeffer · 19/06/2018 10:53

Homeopathy maybe.

I worked for a government service for many years and people would often ask me stuff which I would help them with if I could. A friend who works for a mobile phone company gets really annoyed if she is asked anything about phones and won't help because she's not getting paid even though she's asked me for advice outside of my work!

Lottapianos · 19/06/2018 10:54

Yes LostIt, or people who refer to themselves as 'a bit autistic' Hmm really offensive to people who are genuinely struggling with a diagnosable condition that you can't just identify out of. There is such a thing as just being an uptight fusspot - I am one!

toomuchtooold · 19/06/2018 10:58

Thanks Nineties. I mean you're right, the people calling their FIL NPD because he's a bit of a windbag aren't doing people like me any favours either I suppose, as it makes it harder to be believed - although on the other hand, the more widely used the term is, the more people are going to have a Come to Jesus moment like I did, so I'm pleased with that. (I must have been the only leftwinger in the world who could find happiness in the election of Trump, as it's pretty much impossible not to be aware of NPD now!)

Hideandgo · 19/06/2018 11:11

I’d probably laugh and say ‘most people are just a healthy mix of everything. From what I can see you come under that’. And then move on to another conversation. If they persist in saying ‘no but I’m x, y and z’. Just say again ‘yeah exactly, those things are usually part of the average person.’ And if they persist further, the age old statement ‘look, it would be hugely unethical of me to ‘diagnose’ you based on what you think of yourself. Looking at a person involves a lot of research, hours, testing from many directions and I’d be hugely unprofessional and unethical to make off the cuff judgments like it’s a party trick’. And give them a solid stare. Then repeat ‘it’s unethical’ over and over in response to any further comments on self.

Your research is probably interesting so hopefully you happily discuss your knowledge in general terms when people show a topical interest?