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To get the rage at some people’s obsession with labelling themselves?

125 replies

gimmestrengf · 19/06/2018 08:08

I’m a medical professional with a very particular neurology niche which I write about and practice in.

It’s one of these topics which has become popularised recently and the popularised version of it attributes labels to people and puts people in certain neuro boxes or categories. If I try and think of a well-known equivalent, I would say it’s a bit like astrology where you can be a Taurus or a Libra or any of the other “sun signs”, and there are personality profiles and they’re associated with different traits and looks and types.

I have written a few papers and been featured in some articles about it too.
Also due to research, my home is full of books relating to the specialism and there are little hints of it everywhere, purely because it has been such a huge part of my working life.

Whenever anyone - family, friend, acquaintance, stranger, workman - comes over to my house or sees any part of that life or that I do what I do, they ALL say, “oh, you MUST tell me about me...”

I shared a really important piece of research regarding the topic on social media the other day, and all the comments from people I knew were “you need to do me - you’ve never checked me.”

I wrote about it in a journal last year, and the response over text and email from friends was “why won’t you test me? I need that done.”

I won an award five years ago and guess what my family and friends response was? “Oh, you won it for that thing you do? I need you to do me sometime.”

It’s treated like some kind of party trick and not my job or something for people who have quite serious problems. At weddings people bring it up. The last wedding I went to someone said “gimme strengf diagnoses X conditions.
Go round the table and tell us all what we are. Come on! It’s so and so’s wedding day!”

It drives me completely mad that people’s first response to something which is actually quite complex to diagnose, often inaccurate and defining it is actually only relevant to certain people with much bigger problems my friends can imagine is: “ME. What about me? What type am I? What category am I in? can you just take a quick guess? Go on -I’m your friend/relation/builder. But you see me every day! Surely you must have noticed what type I am?”

I’ve had friends be upset with me for not examining them, or after a few drinks at a party drunkenly imply I am withholding information about them like a power trip. One friend stole some of my textbooks off my shelf to try and diagnose herself and then presented me the next week with various pages bookmarked where she had tried to narrow her “type” down and wanted me to confirm yes or no.

Another filled in one of these popular internet questionnaires about the topic and sent me 6 screen shots of her answers over wats app, and said she was confused about her “result,” and posed it like it was some intellectual question and she’d already done most of the legwork for me and I just had to say yes or no, X or Y. Another friend after doing something similar now uses a hastag on all social media posts after self diagnosing her type. For eg, the astrology equivalent would be #libra #libragoals #libralife #thelibrastruggle #librasurvivor #libradiagnosis

From strangers and people I meet in a functional way I get “I bet you’ve already seen what i am haven’t you? I’m a type A aren’t I? Funnily enough we always suspected old aunt jean was a type A. It’s An interesting story actually. Oh that’s a funny face! Must be a bad thing then. Is it bad?”

I know it is normal human curiosity. I know it is the fault of popularised science that people see quite complex, pathological things as fitting neatly into types and boxes and having some personal relevance to them, but it is so self absorbed.

I am kind and friendly about it on the surface. I try and help people if I can. In the past and in the beginning when I had more tolerance for it, I would actually make a few educated guesses with disclaimers when asked questions, but guess what? It’s not that easy and it would never stop there. “But surely i’m not bordering on A? I don’t fit the (google/Wikipedia) description of that type at all. I always thought I was B. Why am I A and not B? Did I tell you about great uncle sammy who always did X?”

But it makes me internally bang my head against the wall about humanity, the complete and utter self obsession of it all. And even worse, even if people are completely self obsessed, that they are not self aware enough to try and tone it down?

Imagine if the only response your best friend or family members ever had to your lifelong career achievements was “but what about me? You must tell me about me!”

To me this is my life’s work. It tires me and frustrates me and it is terribly under researched and inaccurate and not like the popular version at all. I tell people that but it doesn’t put them off. And I know that all I am ever going to get for the rest of my life from people I know is “please tell me what I am.”

I’m looking really, to know whether AIBU. But also to understand more what gets my goat about this so much. Would it bother you if that was all people were ever asking you for?

OP posts:
senua · 19/06/2018 09:19

Why is OP asking MN? Surely her colleagues would have better suggestions. Besides which, as many have said, this is not a unique situation for experts.

Is she conducting an experiment on us?

LellyMcKelly · 19/06/2018 09:20

Tell people you’re not covered by HPC/BMA/RCN etc. to carry out work in a non therapeutic setting, but if the wanted to make an appointment at your office you’d by happy to see them.

ILostItInTheEarlyNineties · 19/06/2018 09:20

people getting out their psoriasis and asking about sperm motility at parties Yes Grin My poor bil got cornered by a slightly tipsy wedding guest who wanted in depth advice on her vaginismus and how it was preventing her conceiving.

As 80's points out it's an occupational hazard for a lot of us.

Op: one friend stole textbooks from my home and then presented me with various parts she'd bookmarked
That's just taking the piss. What on earth?

speakout · 19/06/2018 09:21

OP you need to choose your friends more wisely and be a little more limiting of time with family members who piss you off.

I am a little surprised that casual visitors hook into this specialism.

I keep the nature of my work hidden from some close family members- they would not approve.
I have workroom where all my materials are used and I keep all my books pertaining to my work away from gaze.

montenuit · 19/06/2018 09:21

YABU to get so worked up about it

ushuaiamonamour · 19/06/2018 09:23

I haven't enountered this sort of carry-on in RL but I'm disheartened by the number of posts I see in AIBU with this sort of tendency. I suppose I've assumed that the eagerness to label others'OMG your FIL didn't go to your 2nd cousin's wedding? OP, I'm afraid he's a narcissist.'is the result of laziness (unwillingness to actually think about the matter at hand), ignorance of the stringency of diagnoses and of the complexity of a condition, and the urge to be show-offy by implying a non-existent knowledge.

Someone claiming with no evidence to have the condition her/himself is harder to understand. No doubt trendiness is a factor, weird though that seems, just as trendiness was a reason for young Victorian women to fall into swoons or go for that fashionable tubercular look. And it probably makes one feel distinctive/important to suffer a condition (without the inconvenience of actually suffering from it). Unfortunately it looks to me that these self-diagnoses are often almost blatantly self-serving in another way: 'Before I start I should say that I have social anxiety [so think twice before you disagree with me]'; 'I'm on the spectrum so how could I have known that shoving my SIL's face into the punch bowl was such a bad thing?' I could be dead wrong, of course. As a psychopath I don''t know right from wrong.

Sorry you have to deal with this mullarkey, in any case.

DieAntword · 19/06/2018 09:24

When people ask me to fix their computers I say "Sure, my hourly rate is £50".

OrchidInTheSun · 19/06/2018 09:24

It is annoying but everyone that has a specialism that other people think is useful or interesting get harassed about it on social occasions. From doctors to plumbers, from vets to gardeners.

It is human nature and I don't think it's that depressing.

OrchidInTheSun · 19/06/2018 09:27

Although actually now I see you're asking a slightly different question - it's about self-diagnosis and wanting to have a 'thing'. Yes, that is fucking annoying and it's all about the special snowflake generation. Read the reception party RSVP thread for a fabulous example of the navel-gazing that passes for good parenting nowadays.

If I were you, I'd tell people you've moved to a different field and are now studying something very unappealing.

RallyAnnie · 19/06/2018 09:28

People probably find your work fascinating but know they can't ask about any of your patients, so ask about themselves as a way of keeping the conversation alive: "it's your passion so let's talk about it". They would seem rude if they said "well done on your latest paper being published. Shall we eat before the cinema or afterwards?"

But yes, I can imagine that if you spend your life assessing people neurologically, you're going to be more attuned to the narcissism in people relating situations to themselves.

By the way, your work does sound fascinating.

BottleOfJameson · 19/06/2018 09:28

I'm pretty suspicious of this post. As an expert with many published papers I'm sure you'll be able to discuss this issue with your colleagues.

WaxOnFeckOff · 19/06/2018 09:28

Well your feelings are your feelings so can they really be unreasonable? Your actions definitely can but you are not asking that, you seem to be saying you deal with it appropriately but get frustrated about it. I guess if feeling frustrated about it is causing you stress then you would not be unreasonable to find a better way to manage your feelings and/or the situation.

Maybe set up a new social media account that doesn't include your friends and family, pretend you have a new job and don't do the other one anymore, you've forgotten how to do it, you aren't up to date anymore, I dunno, there must be loads of ways to reduce them asking but again, that's not really what you are asking about.

Zaphodsotherhead · 19/06/2018 09:28

I think you get this with any profession that's even slightly high profile (I don't get it, for instance, with my shop assistant hat on. Although people will occasionally tell me that they can get X cheaper in Tesco). Like Succulentest I'm also a novelist, and when people find out that I'm published, I'm beating them off with a stick as they try to tell me their 'funny story that would make a great book!' (it wouldn't), or asking me if they are going to be in my next book 'as I'm such a character!' (they're not).

ISnappedAndFarted · 19/06/2018 09:30

YANBU to be annoyed but surely you can see the irony here in getting wound up about other people being self absorbed.

You've posted a huge rant which essentially centres around the fact that your work is far too specialist and important for everyday folk to comprehend or appreciate and you heavily imply a level of superiority over them for not grasping this.

monkeymamma · 19/06/2018 09:32

Nothing helpful to say, OP - I feel your pain! I can understand why you would feel really cheapened and reduced by this sort of behaviour.
If I meet someone socially and they turn out to be a doctor, I spend the rest of the evening forcing myself NOT to mention my rash/sore ankle/insomnia (or that of my friend/child/great-aunt etc)!

If it’s any consolation whatsoever I loved your writing style and expression. It’s not hard to see why you are successful in your chosen field. I hope you turn your hand to fictional writing too one day!

BlancheM · 19/06/2018 09:38

You're clearly a very important person and I am sorry that your friends don't take your body of work seriously enough. You're much more accomplished than they give you credit for...

MizCracker · 19/06/2018 09:41

Just tell them you're setting up a private practice and if they want you to "do" them then it'll cost them £££.

Tbh, you sound unnecessary angry. You're obviously well known for whatever your specialism is, and yet you're annoyed that people always talk to you about it. It sounds like you're mainly annoyed that people don't treat you with enough reverence? You remind me of a friend who's an academic in a niche medical field who once moaned that elderly family members at functions didn't understand what she did and therefore weren't "wowed" enough when she spoke to them about it.

Or, as Snapped said: You've posted a huge rant which essentially centres around the fact that your work is far too specialist and important for everyday folk to comprehend or appreciate and you heavily imply a level of superiority over them for not grasping this.

0lapislazuli · 19/06/2018 09:43

You’re tooting your own horn and then get annoyed when people become interested in your work and would like to find out more about how that would apply to themselves?

You are also generalising talking about how people are so self-centred. Maybe some are genuinely curious and trying to understand themselves better and become better people? Have you ever thought you might be self-centred in expecting others to just ‘get’ your work? Are you perhaps annoyed because you think they are trying to simplify and popularise your life’s work (you mention horoscopes, a non-science - are you afraid people compare your work to this?). Maybe it’s time for self-reflection instead of putting the blame on others.

ILostItInTheEarlyNineties · 19/06/2018 09:46

Your head must explode when you're reading Mumsnet.

Threads on here are awash with personality type labelling, "I'm an introverted extrovert with pessimistic tendencies" and casual diagnosis "My MIL and SIL are both narcissists and I suspect my FIL is a sociopath because they didn't invite me to stay at Christmas". Grin

Mrskray · 19/06/2018 09:48

I just laugh it off with a “it’s not my HOBBY”!!

LeighaJ · 19/06/2018 09:49

YANBU. Rage on OP.

People are annoying and self-absorbed and want something for nothing. I've never envied people in certain careers (doctors, lawyers, etc) because I think they're never allowed to just leave the job behind.

I think most of the people who are saying you're being unreasonable have never had a job like yours and are also probably the type that would pester you if they knew you IRL.

I am very curious if it is something similar to the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator? I vaguely remember studying that in a psychology of personality class I took at Uni. Although I think that encouraged a degree of self-diagnosis...or maybe that was just my professor. Grin

prunemerealgood · 19/06/2018 09:49

Of course another thing you could do is to set up separate social media accounts for friends. Let them know the fact. Say you can't be doing with work and friendship colliding. Block them from your existing, professional accounts.

FourPillars · 19/06/2018 09:50

“Whenever anyone - family, friend, acquaintance, stranger, workman - comes over to my house or sees any part of that life or that I do what I do, they ALL say, “oh, you MUST tell me about me...”

Really? Anyone, all? Well if that is true it would “give me the rage” too.

Although it would also leave me wondering how I was able to collect such an intrusive group of people, and with some insight I would conclude that I was the common denominator in this. Perhaps find a different way of describing your profession and specialism?

bigbluebus · 19/06/2018 09:52

My young adult DS has a 'label'. He has spent most of his life pretending that it doesn't exist as he wishes he didn't have it. Not everyone wants a label - even the so called snowflake generation.

TerfsUp · 19/06/2018 09:53

Threads on here are awash with personality type labelling, "I'm an introverted extrovert with pessimistic tendencies" and casual diagnosis "My MIL and SIL are both narcissists and I suspect my FIL is a sociopath because they didn't invite me to stay at Christmas"

Oh, you missed the autism diagnoses. "My NDN is very unsociable." Cue the MN chorus "Oh, he must be autistic." Because NTs are perfect. shrug

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