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AIBU?

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To get the rage at some people’s obsession with labelling themselves?

125 replies

gimmestrengf · 19/06/2018 08:08

I’m a medical professional with a very particular neurology niche which I write about and practice in.

It’s one of these topics which has become popularised recently and the popularised version of it attributes labels to people and puts people in certain neuro boxes or categories. If I try and think of a well-known equivalent, I would say it’s a bit like astrology where you can be a Taurus or a Libra or any of the other “sun signs”, and there are personality profiles and they’re associated with different traits and looks and types.

I have written a few papers and been featured in some articles about it too.
Also due to research, my home is full of books relating to the specialism and there are little hints of it everywhere, purely because it has been such a huge part of my working life.

Whenever anyone - family, friend, acquaintance, stranger, workman - comes over to my house or sees any part of that life or that I do what I do, they ALL say, “oh, you MUST tell me about me...”

I shared a really important piece of research regarding the topic on social media the other day, and all the comments from people I knew were “you need to do me - you’ve never checked me.”

I wrote about it in a journal last year, and the response over text and email from friends was “why won’t you test me? I need that done.”

I won an award five years ago and guess what my family and friends response was? “Oh, you won it for that thing you do? I need you to do me sometime.”

It’s treated like some kind of party trick and not my job or something for people who have quite serious problems. At weddings people bring it up. The last wedding I went to someone said “gimme strengf diagnoses X conditions.
Go round the table and tell us all what we are. Come on! It’s so and so’s wedding day!”

It drives me completely mad that people’s first response to something which is actually quite complex to diagnose, often inaccurate and defining it is actually only relevant to certain people with much bigger problems my friends can imagine is: “ME. What about me? What type am I? What category am I in? can you just take a quick guess? Go on -I’m your friend/relation/builder. But you see me every day! Surely you must have noticed what type I am?”

I’ve had friends be upset with me for not examining them, or after a few drinks at a party drunkenly imply I am withholding information about them like a power trip. One friend stole some of my textbooks off my shelf to try and diagnose herself and then presented me the next week with various pages bookmarked where she had tried to narrow her “type” down and wanted me to confirm yes or no.

Another filled in one of these popular internet questionnaires about the topic and sent me 6 screen shots of her answers over wats app, and said she was confused about her “result,” and posed it like it was some intellectual question and she’d already done most of the legwork for me and I just had to say yes or no, X or Y. Another friend after doing something similar now uses a hastag on all social media posts after self diagnosing her type. For eg, the astrology equivalent would be #libra #libragoals #libralife #thelibrastruggle #librasurvivor #libradiagnosis

From strangers and people I meet in a functional way I get “I bet you’ve already seen what i am haven’t you? I’m a type A aren’t I? Funnily enough we always suspected old aunt jean was a type A. It’s An interesting story actually. Oh that’s a funny face! Must be a bad thing then. Is it bad?”

I know it is normal human curiosity. I know it is the fault of popularised science that people see quite complex, pathological things as fitting neatly into types and boxes and having some personal relevance to them, but it is so self absorbed.

I am kind and friendly about it on the surface. I try and help people if I can. In the past and in the beginning when I had more tolerance for it, I would actually make a few educated guesses with disclaimers when asked questions, but guess what? It’s not that easy and it would never stop there. “But surely i’m not bordering on A? I don’t fit the (google/Wikipedia) description of that type at all. I always thought I was B. Why am I A and not B? Did I tell you about great uncle sammy who always did X?”

But it makes me internally bang my head against the wall about humanity, the complete and utter self obsession of it all. And even worse, even if people are completely self obsessed, that they are not self aware enough to try and tone it down?

Imagine if the only response your best friend or family members ever had to your lifelong career achievements was “but what about me? You must tell me about me!”

To me this is my life’s work. It tires me and frustrates me and it is terribly under researched and inaccurate and not like the popular version at all. I tell people that but it doesn’t put them off. And I know that all I am ever going to get for the rest of my life from people I know is “please tell me what I am.”

I’m looking really, to know whether AIBU. But also to understand more what gets my goat about this so much. Would it bother you if that was all people were ever asking you for?

OP posts:
Succulentest · 19/06/2018 08:47

Honestly, OP, this is just an admittedly maddening version of dimwits asking doctors for split-second diagnoses at parties by showing them their rashes, or expecting plumber friends to show up for free to fix pipes at 3am and be delighted to exercise their craft.

If it’s any consolation, I’m a novelist, and I get acquaintances and total strangers at parties either insisting on telling me their interminable stories ‘because it would make such a good book!’ or insisting in the face of all evidence that they know who a character is based on. (NB. They aren’t. I write historical novels based on the lives of real people. Betty from the village shop has never featured.)

toomuchtooold · 19/06/2018 08:47

I think you are being a bit unfair. Sure, you shouldn't have to diagnose your friends - it would be an imposition on you to devote that much time to it, and I believe it would anyway be unethical to diagnose someone you have a personal relationship with? - but psychology is interesting to everyone, it can give you insights into other people's patterns of behaviour, and wanting to understand ourselves and others is central to the human experience.

This is a real big science vs medicine divide I think. The medics I know guard their knowledge carefully, while the scientists would just love to share their insights to the world if anyone would listen.

MyOtherUsernameisaPun · 19/06/2018 08:47

YANBU. I think it's something that happens a lot to people in specialised professions. My MIL is a nurse and is forever being asked to check out people's moles and skin rashes, I'm constantly asked for legal advice (usually in respect of issues that are nothing to do with my specialism), my Psychologist pal at a recent wedding was being asked to give a view on whether another friend's mother is a narcissist!

It's annoying but not intended to be rude imo. People just want to relate everything back to their own experiences all the time. But I get why you don't like your life's work being seen as a party trick.

lulu12345 · 19/06/2018 08:49

I think YABU.. What would you consider to be a better response from people? Not to mention it at all, or to be able to indulge you in a highly intellectual discussion about it? Obviously most people wouldn't have the knowledge or patience for the latter.

Most people go stone cold silent when they hear what I do as they don't have a clue what it involves and it probably sounds utterly boring Grin A bit awkward but on balance probably preferable to having to field constant requests like you do. Agree with PP who said medics must have an awful time of it!

Succulentest · 19/06/2018 08:49

Snap, ILostIt, I have a friend who is a fertility specialist and another who is a dermatology consultant, and the stuff they routinely get asked at parties blows my mind. Literally, people start unbuttoning shirts and getting out their psoriasis and asking about sperm motility.

MoonsAndJunes · 19/06/2018 08:50

I am asking whether AIBU to find it this aspect of human nature so depressing and maddening?

Yes, YABU. It is human nature to want to understand our own personalities, emotions, thoughts and to understand how we are perceived by others.

You OP are asking the very same thing of us on here! 'AIBU?'

TakeawayTakeMeAway · 19/06/2018 08:51

My old hairdresser told me that when he met new people he always lied about his occupation. The reason being that when he said he was a hairdresser, people immediately said, “What do you think I should do with my hair? I’ve tried x, but....”

In other words it’s extremely irritating, but not unique to your profession.

I won’t say what I do but people always ask me for advice in how to get into it and expect me to spend my time giving them free information that they won’t do anything with.

Friends who are novelists often hear “Oh I want to do that when I find the time. How did you get published?”

People are boring and predictable. And annoying.

arethereanyleftatall · 19/06/2018 08:53

Yanbu, but I think there's loads of professions who get inundated with similar. Physios, doctors, dentists, beauty therapists, hair dressers etc etc 'can you just have a little look at my neighbours grannies best friends knee? '

Barbaro · 19/06/2018 08:54

I got this for a while after studying a forensic psychology degree. Everyone saying 'ooh bet you've analysed me already'. I'm just rude about it to be honest and either say 'no you're too boring, prefer criminals' or 'yes didn't realise you were a psychopath'. It was only a bachelors degree, it made me no expert, but people are stupid and assume and it's annoying having to say 'it doesn't work like that' and then actually get called stupid.

FindoGask · 19/06/2018 08:54

It's true that it's not limited to your profession. We used to live at the place of my partner's work and he always got people approaching him with work-based requests on his day off. It really used to wind him up.

prunemerealgood · 19/06/2018 08:55

It sounds like it's a subject that people in general find very worrying, to put a kinder slant on it.

I'd just rehearse a stock answer like "I know people worry about it a lot but I'd be really unprofessional if I got involved in my friends' cases so I don't do that." (End it emphatically.)

I work in a specific area as well, it's one that people see as a way of making a fast buck (not MLM!) and I'm always getting asked for inside details, how do you do X - sometimes the requests are absolutely blatant. I don't think YABU for getting annoyed but you probably want to have a strategy so you can carry on awareness-raising without people leaning on you to make them feel a bit better.

Lottapianos · 19/06/2018 08:58

'And even worse, even if people are completely self obsessed, that they are not self aware enough to try and tone it down?'

I hear you. So many people never seem to look further than the end of their own noses, and have no awareness of how self absorbed they are either. Your experience sound very exhausting, and I can imagine how frustrating it is for you.

shouldwestayorshouldwego · 19/06/2018 08:59

It is frustrating but I think you just need to go with the broken record technique andtrot it out every time. Once you start going down that route people will keep pushing.

'Sorry it wouldn't be ethical for me to try to diagnose a friend' - probably the best one and hard to argue against.

'Ha, ha, no I charge for that my rates are ££££' hard stare

'I have a policy of not mixing business and pleasure.'

etc.

I do think that if you want to stop inviting discussion on the topic you need to stop sharing stuff on social media etc. Keep clearer boundaries between your work and home life.

AornisHades · 19/06/2018 09:00

It does happen with all sorts of jobs. People don't necessarily understand the complexities of the role so they have no insight other than how it might relate to them.

Bearhunter09 · 19/06/2018 09:02

I think most professionals have similar Tbh. Tell people you’re doctor “I’ve been having this pain...” a tax advisor “ someone told me I should register for VAT....” a dog behaviourist “my dog is.....” it’s just life nove the conversation on

Zebraantelopegiraffe · 19/06/2018 09:04

Yep yep yep. When we are in holiday my family are banned from revealing my profession. Smile

Uyulala · 19/06/2018 09:04

“Oh I want to do that when I find the time. How did you get published?”

That's hardly a taxing question.

I don't get it. It's normal for people to show interest in other friends' careers and ask questions...

The80sweregreat · 19/06/2018 09:04

I've learnt over the years not to ask too much about anyone's career or help with anything unless i am paying for it myself.
If you read any famous auto biography they will all say how much the public can get them down a bit as well. its an occupational hazard.
It must be annoying for you though.

otterturk · 19/06/2018 09:06

Oooh OP ME ME DO MW GrinGrinWink

Uyulala · 19/06/2018 09:07

There's a big difference between asking someone to diagnose you etc and someone asking how you got published Hmm

wizzywig · 19/06/2018 09:08

Just say "yes. I judged and assessed you many years ago" and leave it hanging while you leave the room.

Cheekyandfreaky · 19/06/2018 09:12

YANBU, i can’t believe the cheek of the ‘friend’ who pinched one of your books to self-diagnose/ give herself an initial diagnosis for your confirmation.

I think if anyone asks you what they are, give a stick answer ‘anyone who asks what they are is usually (insert something annoying)...but having said that I can’t really say, it’s not a super power or psychic ability, I have to spend a lot of time blah blah and I don’t want to do it at a party/ the gym/ in the ladies toilets’. Or respond straightaway ‘well bob actually I want to ask you to plumb in my new kitchen/ do my tax return/ plant my roses...’ to make a point.

People aren’t thinking about you as you’ve pointed out- it’s about them.

TerfsUp · 19/06/2018 09:15

YANBU.

An acquaintance of mine in the US is a neurosurgeon. Every time he is approached for free medical advice he says "Gee. That sounds complicated. The best thing is for you to make an appointment with my receptionist to see me at my office."

steff13 · 19/06/2018 09:15

Is it something similar to the personality type tests (INTP etc.)? DD got into that very recently.

I thought that test had been largely debunked.

FindoGask · 19/06/2018 09:17

"I've learnt over the years not to ask too much about anyone's career"

Snap. I used to think that it was good to show polite (or often genuine) interest in what people do, as most people like an opportunity to talk about themselves, but actually this is more often not the case!

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