Continuing the discussion around instagram influencers and ethics

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Continued from old thread

Parents can choose whether they want their children on social media. As soon as the child is old enough to say they don't want it, then you respect that and don't put them out there.
Just like if they decided they wanted to eat meat, or follow a different religion to you

This is all true.

But we're not talking about just putting kids up on social media.

We all have our own bars when it comes to how much we post of our kids, what we feed them, what we teach them to believe. But ultimately it's no one's business, because those choices don't affect anyone else, they do not benefit the parents at the expense of the child, and they are made (except in exceptional circumstances) with the children's best interests at heart.

No one on any of the threads I've read has been able to credibly argue that monetising your children and using them as tools to blag freebies and sell stuff to people who are 'too stupid' and 'easily led', is a choice the parents make with the children's best interests at heart.

Because it's impossible to argue.

A parent chooses to raise their child vegan because they want to continue to minimise their impact on the environment.

A parent chooses to raise a child in a particular faith because they want the child to know the values of that faith and its culture.

Maybe not everyone's cup of tea, but to each his own.

A parent chooses to post pictures of their children for material or financial gain because...?

1. They want money and fame for themselves.
2. They want money and fame for their children.
3. They want to persuade people to buy things from the brands who pay them?

Ah. Well that's fair enough then. I skimmed through today's comments on here as there were so many and tend to skim right past certain poster's comments more often than not!

"But someone asked where we were...". 🙄

I posted because I was mentioned. I am not "one of MOD's minions" or an instamum. I like using insta, it was me not Cady who said I had no problem with the ads and gifting that goes on.

I agree that the ASA guidelines need tightening up so they're easier to follow but personally, I just can't get worked up about if someone has not declared their new washing machine as an ad when I suspect it technically is.

@allaboardtheallergybus @fluffyrainbows @sofialemon @moonkissedlegs

1. My Siblings are not used, hawked or indeed exploited (!). What is documented on my feed is our life. I (we) gain no revenue from this platform and have no future plans to do so.
2. In response to the comment that questioned my integrity should a potential deal with H&M arise – That’s not going to happen.
3. If an outfit is tagged this is either because somebody has asked for details or it is a friend’s store/brand and I do this to show my support. I have a full time job and it is less time consuming to do it this way. 4)If by ‘disturbing’, ‘worrying’ and ‘odd’ behaviour you mean I actively call out racism as a biracial woman, then you would be right. I do and I will continue to do that as and when I see it on my feed. Whoever that may be. That isn’t a threat, it’s a factual statement. 5)In response to my presence on Mother Pukka’s feed, Anna asked me directly (More than once) to join the discussions on her feed and would happily tell you this herself.
4. I’m not responding to anything regarding MOD because it is self evident that is what ‘Allergy’ wants and craves and I refuse to have my words manipulated. 7)In response to various usernames: I’ll attach confirmation of me joining Mumsnet today on my lunch hour at 13:32pm. (If someone explains how I do that)
   Given Cash has stated in her stories she hasn’t and won’t be reading this thread, I think it’s safe to assume commenters not her either.

I hope this clears up any problems you may have.

@laurahesketh

I queried the tagging and H&M scenario, fair enough, I just wondered as I think a lot of instagrammers want to monetise their accounts and do tag in the hope the brand picks up on it.

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If by ‘disturbing’, ‘worrying’ and ‘odd’ behaviour*

Re the above I might have missed some posts but I thought the above comments related to Cash's insta account.

No idea about the MP stuff, I must have missed those comments.

I personally don't think @allaboardtheallergybus is MOD and don't understand why you and a few others think she is? She already has a username on here, could Mumsnet not check out @allaboardtheallergybus account?

Sorry about the random bolding. Just want to add I have no issue with kids being featured on insta accounts, monetised or not.

Wow! I’ve not finished reading yet, I’m on page 23 but I’m so cross about Sofia’s comments. For a long while I’ve suspected she is perhaps an instamum. Do you know cash’s situation? Are you aware of the shit this government has put her through? The many ways she has been failed?
Also, I may be mistaken but did you once say you were a social worker?!

Also, I don’t know who posted it but I am one of those ‘idiots’ who got myself into shitloads of debt by obsessing over instamums and their lifestyle. Ridiculous, I’ve never been one to be envious or swayed but it happened. I was a vulnerable new mum, target audience and it worked.

If they're declaring them as ads though, they can't be held responsible for you buying the stuff and getting yourself into shitloads of debt (your words).
Personal responsibility has to come into somewhere, to blame others for the fact you felt you had to buy the stuff they were selling and you were obsessing over them (again, your words) is hardly their fault.

General you (not you personally just for clarity's sake)

And before anyone says I never say anything different, its because the content never changes.
The same old same old round and round on these threads.

@Goingovertosusanshouse

Again, I am not an instamum, I'm not friends with any instamums, bloggers or anyone who has been mentioned on any of these threads.

I'm not a social worker but I do work in Children's Services.

Sorry you're cross about my comments and sorry you got yourself in lots of debt.

I don't think instagrammers can be held accountable for their followers getting in debt by trying to emulate their lives. They promote (transparently or not) brands and I suppose a lifestyle, no one forces anyone to buy anything. I love many of the interiors on insta, I'd love a Devol kitchen, I can't afford a Devol kitchen, so I bought a cheaper kitchen in that style. I don't feel jealous or bitter that I can't afford certain things. That's life.

I love many of the interiors on insta, I'd love a Devol kitchen, I can't afford a Devol kitchen, so I bought a cheaper kitchen in that style. I don't feel jealous or bitter that I can't afford certain things. That's life.

Exactly.

I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY OF THESE PEOPLE/THINGS

I was on some of the earlier threads. For what it’s worth, Cash Carraway, Laura, Cookie Kibbles and a few other accounts and a few others are trying to raise awareness in all the bullshit that’s going on Instagram. It’s good that they have called it out.

But when the conversation is on something different you're nowhere to be seen cady. Whether you admit it or not, your presence on this thread whenever the ODs are slagged off means you fuel that particular conversation time and time again. Take a step back from it and you may see it fizzles out more quickly. If that's what you want, of course.

@MadameGrizzly most people who work in a fee earning capacity be they paralegal or solicitor call themselves lawyers. I'm a solicitor and see the term litigation executive used frequently. It is not the same as legal executive. Your post is really unpleasant.

That list is incomplete or wonky. I didn’t realise such a thing existed so I just searched for my friend’s wife, who definitely is a practising lawyer, for fun and she’s not on there either.

Spongebob - if you read back, I came back on the thread to answer when someone asked where I was.
Absolutely nothing to DO with the ODS.

Take a step back from it and you may see it fizzles out more quickly. If that's what you want, of course.

I had. Which is presumably why someone asked where I'd gone.
You're the one making it about the ODS.

I'm the one making it about the ODs?! Prove it please.

Just searched another person who was the ex boyfriend of a friend of mine at university. He qualified as a solicitor after we graduated. He’s not on there either.

I’m annoyed with myself for re-registering and getting pulled back into this, but before I go again.... Why are you and Sofia always together on these threads? You leave at the same time, and come back at the same time? Why is this?