Continuing the discussion around instagram influencers and ethics

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MOD didn’t bully LH she privately dm her and asked her to stop,

Yes of course. You were there and that's exactly what the dm looked like. 'You're embarrassing yourself' ?
For someone who puts these threads down and defends these accounts I'm baffled as to why you are bringing all this up. It's very odd and as MOD came across terribly it's bringing that back into conversation. Very strange.

It’s always different though when it’s MoD she is always held accountable for everything that ever seems to happen on Ig

If people are stupid enough to think that because someone on instagram has lovely clothes, a beautiful home and goes on lots of holidays (paid for or not) that they should have the same, and get in debt to do so, then that is their problem, no one else's

This is so, so offensive and idiotic I don’t know where to start.

You understand that that’s how advertising on Instagram works, right? It portrays an aspirational lifestyle and plays on people’s insecurities.

There was a thread on here recently about non-school uniform days at school and how absences spoke on those days because children are insecure about not having the right clothes or trainers. Of course it’s about manipulation and making people feel not quite good enough. It’s incredibky complicated psychology even if you’re wise to it, which a lot of people aren’t.

You do have to be incredibly dense not to realise that.

The difference is morally she’s not profiting from non consenting children. The ads that instamums do aren’t just confined to that persons account, they’re shared by the brand, the PR, promoted on instagram, sent to people’s emails, used on the brands website, and the parents are getting rich off the back of selling images of their children. It’s ghastly. That’s very very different to tagging an outfit because people have asked where it’s from

Mod is not the only one held accountable, she just unfortunately was unable to rise above it and delete things and posted things which people picked up on. Others were much wiser.

I saw that comment/thread about non-uniform days. Was really saddened by it.

Who's cash?

@allaboardtheallergybus I’m not surprised if she had a problem with that trip, although I haven’t seen her mention it so I don’t know if that is actually true or not. There are a lot of people who have a problem with that trip, and a lot of questions about it still have not been answered. Mod & Fod also have learned no lessons from it whatsoever. It was a publicity campaign. They reckon they’re heroes

@fluffy
Fair enough I do think she’s tried to move on from it all and focus’s on other things.
Let’s see

@RunMummyRun68

I actually think Cashcarraway's latest post is quite disturbing. I have way more issues with her brainwashing her young daughter (and getting her to discuss David Cameron's pigs head incident) than I would if she had her posing in pics wearing a #Brand #ad dress or whatever.

What have I missed? Why does she think MOD has a problem with her? Surely if Clemmie wanted to follow her she'd use a less obvious account than her blog name?!

Is she telling her daughter to say those things? That’s really weird

The trouble is there are so many other families all doing the same as the Meldrums et al (with the likes of 250 followers) all desperate to have a slice of the pie. A

@allaboardtheallergybus waaaaay less weird than telling your kids they have to wear this Boden outfit because mummy gets paid if they look adorable.

The difference is morally she’s not profiting from non consenting children. The ads that instamums do aren’t just confined to that persons account, they’re shared by the brand, the PR, promoted on instagram, sent to people’s emails, used on the brands website, and the parents are getting rich off the back of selling images of their children. It’s ghastly. That’s very very different to tagging an outfit because people have asked where it’s from

If you actually look through various instamums accounts there's not that many posed pics of their kids with a #ad. Pics of children in a tagged M&S dress won't appear anywhere other than that account & the M&S insta account, if they choose to feature it. Same for any other brands.

I wonder if Laura would say no, if for example H&M offered to pay her for the kids to promote their clothes? She's promoting them for free anyway to 21,000 strangers, I don't see much of a difference.

If people are stupid enough to think that because someone on instagram has lovely clothes, a beautiful home and goes on lots of holidays (paid for or not) that they should have the same, and get in debt to do so, then that is their problem, no one else's

Been thinking on this a bit more.

Essentiallly you’re saying that, yes, influencers use manipulation and smoke and mirrors to sell products but if consumers are stupid enough to fall for it, that’s their problem.

Can you not see the fallacy in that logic?

I find this behaviour of instagrammers slagging off other instagrammers on stories and then blocking those accounts so they can’t see them very odd. Is it to gain more followers? Clicks for controversy?

@sofialemon my sister is subscribed to M&S mailing list and she got an email with tonnes of pictures of MOD and her whole family wearing hideous M&S jeans!!! How many inboxes has that gone into?! So embarrassing for when the gals are in high school

@allaboardtheallergybus

I don't know? My youngest is a similar age to her dd and would have no thoughts or opinions on any politician, I doubt even my elder child would.

As for kids being embarrassed or bullied when they get older for having featured (being "hawked" ) on their patents insta. I actually think her daughter is just as likely to be bullied due to the kind of posts and info her mum puts on.

You can’t employ tactics specifically designed to make people behave a certain way and then blame the people when they inevitably behave that way.

Allergy you are like a dog with a bone. Your agenda is so obvious it is getting embarrassing. Seems instagrammers don’t like criticism on MN and like it even less when it’s on their “own” platform.

@Mummyshephard

Yeah that was an actual ad or paid partnership, same thing really. I'm doubtful any of the daughters school friends will give a shit about the girls featuring in an M&S ad years before. Anyway, kids can get bullied for all sorts of stupid things, and for no reason at all. I don't think their parents having a popular insta account will make it any more or less likely to happen.

Give the way Cash and her daughter have suffered through the actions of this government I totally understand her educating her daughter so she knows it’s no fault of her own. I wouldn’t necessarily do it in the same way but I have talked politics with my children from an early age too.

@Mummyshephard

My daughter frequently wears Boden stuff, sometimes I happen to take a photo when she's wearing s nice Boden dress. I might put that pic on insta, I might even apply a filter to it (I don't #Boden in it as I don't think my 25 followers would give a shit where the dress is from). That is normal.

Interviewing my daughter about politicians for an insta story is not normal. A young child having such strong opinions and calling people ugly, fat, pigs etc is not normal, or nice.

@allaboardtheallergybus I agree and I'd unfollowed after it all went crazy. I refollowed as the midwifery was why I'd followed in the first place. The unfortunate thing with the OD's is FOD. No matter what she does or how she handles it, he's there to openly contradict her, make her look like she's never home and share intimate details and photos even if she's not happy about it. To be fair she deserves credit for putting up with his nonsense.

Unless you have been in their shoes Sofia I don’t think you should judge. If you follow Cash you must have some idea of the backstory? Lucky you being able to dress your daughter in Boden clothes and sit there judging other people who have been left homeless, hungry and in filthy refuges and may have some feelings of anger at the government.

And if reality on your Insta isn’t your bag, you know the drill: unfollow.