Did you know this?! WTF perverse scary monkeys

[Tangled59]

Happy Saturday morning MN!
So last night (wild Friday night, woo!) I watched a documentary about monkeys. Here's what the narrator had to say About chimpanzees:
"From the age of 15, male chimpanzees begin a life devoted to terrorising and brutalising the females". Essentially female chimps appear to live in a state of continuous panic and terror. Narrator continued: "Other than humans, no other species is as cruel and violent to its fellow members".

It then switched to bonobos, a female-led society where they basically hump each other as a solution to everything (literally, a male was acting up so the matriarch chased him down and then peace-fucked him back into harmony).

But I can't stop thinking about the chimps! Isn't that quite depressing? I always thought gorillas were the scariest monkeys but watching the chimps lounge by the river, using tools to fish and practiscing mobbing made me think fucking hell - part of me would actually rather stumble upon a tiger than a group of chimps.

As someone who has studied animal behaviour quite extensively especially sexual section I'm finding the responses very interesting. You cannot judge any animal by human standards, they are not human. Animals generally are driven by food, shelter and reproduction.
Chimps are violent but also can be quite kind to each other. They do not rape because it doesn't work like that, they are driven by baser instincts, they are intelligent problem solvers but they do not think like people. They need to reproduce so they try to reproduce, a lot of violence is also geared to being "top dog". They have a societal heirachy in which older females are actually treated quite respectfully in human terms.

As for gorillas been peaceful etc. Generally they are gentle giants however that lovely silverback will not hesitate to kill a females baby if he takes over a group to force her into oestrous so not so innocent.

Domestic cats are fairly brutal.
Am unspayed female attracts every male cat in the area.
Each male "has a go" - pinning her down by biting the scruff of her neck and impregnating her with a barbed penis.
Litters of kittens don't always have the same father.

On of the funniest things I have ever seen was when I was driving through the gibbon enclosure at Knowsley Safari Park. In the car next to us we’re two teenage girls. A pair of gibbons were shagging on there bonnet. They were having a rare old time of things. The teenage girls were crying laughing, as were we —whilst trying to shield our dc from what was happening—

There was a thread on here a while back when people posted what they did for a living and other posters asked them questions.

There were a couple of posters who worked in zoos and they all said that the most dangerous animals were the chimpanzees. IIRC one said that although it is widely reported that Michael Jackson's chimpanzee, Bubbles, had to go to a zoo because it went crazy, that is not true - it just grew up and that's what chimpanzees are like when they are adults: seriously violent.

You cannot judge any animal by human standards, they are not human. Animals generally are driven by food, shelter and reproduction.

This. Although I've never heard about Orangutans raping women and I'd be interested if anyone has a source for that?

But generally: we're applying human behaviour and ethics onto various other species here - and to be honest, some humans don't even follow them.

Well quite, Balloon which is one of the main reasons why it is cruel and stupid to have a chimp as a pet.

Yes i did know this actually, just been reading about it in a book about teen brains and hormones, the primal teen it is called. Out teens are not the same thankfully but it was about hormones and how they can change the brain. Horrible isn;t it.

Plattypuss What an incredibly strange thing to say.

If a chimp does attack it’s brutal, they go for the eyes, nose, hands & genitalia.

I went to a campus university where there were way more ducks than students. You couldn’t avoid the unpleasant ducky behaviour especially in the slring. Bleugh.

Moorhens became my new favorites. They didn’t go around gang raping females and drowning babies!

It’s hard not to anthropomorphise as animals do mind what happens to them so they are capable of consenting... hummmm. Oh it’s all horrible!

Years ago I watched a wildlife prog & it featured baboons having sex. It was awful, the male was so big & just thrusting on this tiny female who looked perplexed.

Right back at you, larlar anyone who thinks that gibbons mating is the most hilarious experience they have ever had is strange in my book, also why bring the teenage girls into it?

Went on a school trip to the zoo as a parent helper recently and the guide said the only enclosure they would never enter is the chimps. More dangerous than the wild cats apparently

watching the chimps lounge by the river, using tools to fish and practiscing mobbing made me think fucking hell

Sounds like the pack of bitches who bullied me out of my last job!

When I was working my notice (supervisor wouldn't/couldn't deal with it) they started turning on each other when they realised the person who'd been doing two jobs was about to go.

Crows are gits too

Male frogs frequently drown females even though they are much smaller. Lots of them sit on her back, hoping to mate with her, and then drown her. I have occasionally tried to prise males off female frogs. It is surprisingly hard to do.

, also why bring the teenage girls into it?

didnt all this occur on the bonnet of the teengage girls car? plattypuss
why you trying to provoke?

Because they were there and she's describing the situation

An anthropologist once said

Give a chimp a camera and he'll smash it
Give a gorilla a camera and he'll take it apart
Give an orang a camera and he'll take it apart, see how it works, put it back together again and use it

^ that was to platypus

I was laughing at the teenage girls’ reactions Apparently that makes me some sort of sexual deviant though

Plattypuss - you win the prize - for most odd and irrelevant posts. Bizarre frankly.

@Plattypuss

I don't think your documentary maker is being entirely fair to chimps.

Some chimp societies are extremely violent, some are not.

Chimps are the only animal known to conduct deliberate planned warfare, and have been known to take hostages and torture captives.

But guess what. This mostly happens in areas where they have observed this behaviour in humans.