Did you know this?! WTF perverse scary monkeys

[Tangled59]

Happy Saturday morning MN!
So last night (wild Friday night, woo!) I watched a documentary about monkeys. Here's what the narrator had to say About chimpanzees:
"From the age of 15, male chimpanzees begin a life devoted to terrorising and brutalising the females". Essentially female chimps appear to live in a state of continuous panic and terror. Narrator continued: "Other than humans, no other species is as cruel and violent to its fellow members".

It then switched to bonobos, a female-led society where they basically hump each other as a solution to everything (literally, a male was acting up so the matriarch chased him down and then peace-fucked him back into harmony).

But I can't stop thinking about the chimps! Isn't that quite depressing? I always thought gorillas were the scariest monkeys but watching the chimps lounge by the river, using tools to fish and practiscing mobbing made me think fucking hell - part of me would actually rather stumble upon a tiger than a group of chimps.

@LARLARLAND
Yeah this "weird vibe" is what i dont get. If you're going to live in a community isnt it in everyones interests to make ot a nice one?
The documentary showed the women terrorised, the males kicking off constantly when not engaging in status grooming, and then the male "rejects" quivering on the fringes. Whats the point? Why havr they evolved to live in such large violent communities?

Monkeys... apes....

monkeys are not innocent either.

Anyone who's been through the monkey enclosure at Knowsley safari park will tell you that.
Vicious little bastards.

The chimps at my local zoo ripped one of their group to pieces. I don't go down to that bit of the zoo, they give me the creeps

Because it works a strategy for surviving, and reproducing. Bonobos show that there are also other ways that work too though.

To think some people buy chimps as pets

Don’t forget there was that poor woman in the USA that got her face ripped off by a ‘pet’ chimp.

If you're going to live in a community isnt it in everyones interests to make ot a nice one?
They're not human.... They don't think like this.

And please can everyone stop saying animals rape. They don't.

Gorillas are lovely. Love their families, love baby gorillas, queue up to have a snuggle with a new one.

Female dolphins screw every male in sight because male dolphins kill offspring that isn't their own. So if a female has had sex with all the males they might think it's their own offspring. So I've read, anyway.

I've never understood how women risk bringing a strange male into a household when they have children.

One of the chimps at Chester Zoo was bought in a pet shop in New York in the sixties. It lived with a family for a while before they sent him to live in Chester.

All the apes have been known to kill humans - usually in zoos when a keeper accidentally ends up in the same cage. Chimps are something like 5 times stronger than a man. People who keep them as pets, photography props etc are idiots.

To be fair ducks (male ones) can also behave unpleasantly at mating time.

I do not like chimps as they are extremely violent (just like us). I enjoy watching 'Monkey World' as they do some daft things but my favourites are the Orang Utans and the stump tailed macaques . They have occasional squabbles but not like the chimps.

You wanna Google what sea otters* do - they'll rape any species that they find lying around (they will rape baby seals to DEATH!) if they're feeling horny. Which is SO sad because otters are so cute! Cute rapists, who'd have thunk it.

Oh god, I've just read, sometimes they will keep hold of the now dead baby seal and rape it more times over the next FORTNIGHT!

This is making chimps look positively loveable!

I understand this killing of babies in certain species is done to drive the females back into estrus - so the next male can mate with them to perpetuate their offspring.

Upshot of all of this information: It's a bloody dangerous world if you're a female or infant of any species, not so much if you're male .

For anyone wishing to have their previous constructs of cute animals further ripped apart, see this: www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/animals-can-be-giant-jerks/!!

• = the only sea-going mammal that doesn't have blubber (you're welcome)

Gorillas aren't monkeys and humans are Chimpanzees closest relatives, not gorillas. Gorillas are peaceful animals, as are Orangs and Bonobo chimps (matriarchal societies where females control behaviour with sex basically). Pan chimpanzees are the most terrifying and dangerous animals on the planet bar one - humans.

Male Bottlenosed dophins are very aggressive, whilst females care for cold, sick and disabled members of the pod. Other species of dolphin are not aggressive at all.

LAR I watched the documentary on them! They visited him in chester zoo 40 years later a couple of years ago it was really sad.

That must have been interesting to watch BellaJessica. As I understand things the woman in New York who bought the chimp did so believing she was rescuing him. She then read about a zoo without bars (Chester Zoo) and wanted him to live there.

I've always been highly suspicious of evo-psych for this reason - it seems a lot of sociologist-type men will use these arguments to explain - and excuse - human behaviour. There is probably some truth in it - but to me, it's over simplistic.

So we've had posters on here, in the past, explaining rape as a phenomenon - because gorillas and apes. It's all a bit apologist to me - and 'ohh poor men, they're animinals that can't help it' which I don't agree with at all.

Then even the lovely, peaceful bonobos - if you apply their behaviour into the human experience - it kind of suggests we women should all be shagging our violent men (like Elliot Rodgers for example) into peacefulness. Er, no thanks. There must be another way!

It's a bit like the Nazis (I don't want to Godwin here... ) but it's a bit like them using "survival of the fittest" Darwinian theory to excuse mass murder.

Nature red in tooth and claw. Animals are not constrained by legal sanctions in the way that humans are.

OP - I'm not suggesting you did any of the above ^ btw.

I saw the programme with the chimps killing a monkey, never forgotten this.

i thought hippos were the most dangerous animal though?

TokenBritPoshOfCourse I remember that documentary and the shock it caused before many people thought chimps to be gentle afterall we had seen years of them in PG Tips adverts and Michael Jackson was always accompanied by Bubbles

Cats are psychopaths they torture and kill becuase they enjoy it what’s worse it’s a good sign that their are healthy

When the males die out, females can take over and change the aggressive culture.

www.nytimes.com/2004/04/13/science/no-time-for-bullies-baboons-retool-their-culture.html

Consider me enlightened...

Bonobos are famed for their hypersexuality and the way they use sex as an all-purpose problem solver in every possible situation, permutation and combination. When bonobos come upon a great patch of fruit, for example, and tensions rise over feeding priority, the bonobos will decompress with a quick round of genito-genital rubbing and similar acts: males with females, males with males, females with females, juveniles with adults.

Cannot stand chimps. I find them scary and far too clever for their own good.

I know it's a film but I cannot watch planet of the apes for this reason. My friends mock me for it but I have a genuine fear of the message of the film. there's going to be an uprising and don't say I didn't warn you all

I like Chester Zoo on the whole but when it comes to the apes, no matter how hard they try, they are basically keeping them in the ape version of prison. Something as intelligent as an ape needs several square miles of forest to roam through, not a large concrete box that's made to look pretty and thousands of people staring at it each day. No wonder the atmosphere amoung the chimps there was odd.

Yeah, I knew about this sort of thing. Crows are gits too.

I think the problem here is people are putting human laws and emotions against animals.

An animal is not raping another. There is no such thing. There is no such thing as consent in thr animal kingdom. They are animals. They simply follow their instincts, be it hunger, sex, violence. There is no thought process behind it like a human.

There may be behavioural laws in the animal kingdom between species, but they are not the same as ours.

No duck was gang raped. No monkey peace fucked another. That's putting human emotion and behaviour against animals and that's misinterpreting rhe behaviour.