Come off it Cancer Research UK

[Noviceoftheweek]

So now women aren't even mentioned in cervical screening awareness activity. To quote Cancer Research UK: "cervical screening (or the smear test) is relevant for everyone aged 25-64 with a cervix."

I despair, I really do.

I thought that too Curbside, but probably only women will be described in that strange, PC, disembodied way.

It's another way of erasing women. We can't align our biology with our sex so in case someone is insulted.

I presume they will also be changing guidance on prostate cancer to "people with a prostate", or penile cancer to "people with a penis"?

No, because women are not lobbying to change the definition of men.

Yes I thought so. Why should men have their biological status removed
Clearly it's all ridiculous, but unfortunately there are plenty of people who have been carried away with the emperor and his fabulous new clothes and are quite happy for "woman" to become an obsolete term.

Really do some people have nothing better to do all day than worry about wording that makes no difference to them whatsover

My biological sex is female, I am a woman. I have a cervix and I understand that this wording includes me.

I am 42 and I have been having smears for years. I always knew that smear tests were for me. But now my old uni pal Jo, a trans man, and my colleague, Alex who is non binary can read info about screening and know that this is for them too.

This changes my life in no way whatsoever.

But it makes a HUGE difference to Jo and Alex.

It makes no difference to your life either, OP YABU.

Get a better hobby.

How does this harm you in any way?

Interesting conversation.

As someone who is trans, I think:

I can get breast cancer - and the risk is increased compared to before because of HRT

I can get prostate cancer - but the risk is decreased because of the lack of testsosterone.

I think there's an increased risk of neo-cervical cancer depending on various issues and the type of surgery.

convio.cancer.ca/site/PageServer?pagename=SSL_ON_TW_CervicalCancer101#.WyQLYdQrKt8

Literature is aimed at men and women. Obviously I know the importance of screening - but you can see how some people might be put off by words or even how some trans people might not even get asked for screening.

What is neo-cervical?

Makes sense that HPV can cause cancer on a "neo cervix" (though it's really more an apex than a cervix as it's not a link to another organ?) as it can cause penile cancer anyway.
Not sure how likely a smear is to pick up pre-cancerous cells in that case.

How does this harm you in any way?

Because as a woman I’m not enjoying my erasure.

What is neo-cervical

It's a word used to describe the new anatomy that has been constructed - using the skin and cells from the male organs.

The HPV virus and its related carcinomas can occur in the new anatomy - and some trans people are at a higher risk of such carcinomas due to riskier sexual activity

Never mind I googled it.

Fucks sake, all of these semantics, all of this bickering “but I want” “but I feel” “but I’m offended” ...... it’s all distracting from the fucking point.

Women are dying of cervical cancer, and the more pissfarting around there is in yet another area where trans activists have claimed the words/labels/whatever the more women will die.

You cannot die of cervical cancer if you were not born with a cervix. It’s that fucking simple. So if you were born with one, and still have one, it applies to you.

If you weren’t, fuck off, it’s got absolutely fuck all to do with you.

Too harsh? Probably. It’s Mum’s anniversary next week and seeing her dying, screaming in agony, because it won may have lowered my tolerance for ridiculous snowflake terms and yet more fucking demands put on women by people with penises.

Ban me, I give not one fuck. This is going too fucking far, women are dying while you’re all prevaricating.

It needs to stop.

On that note, that makes me wonder if testing would be useful for men too, as I know the HPV vaccine can help reduce their cancer risk too but isn't given.
Maybe rather than cervical screening, everyone should be invited for HPV screening?

HPV screening instead of cervical screening wouldn’t be effective, since it’s not the only way to get CC, but I do agree that it would be a good idea.

Really do some people have nothing better to do all day than worry about wording that makes no difference to them whatsover

A simple lampoon: I'm not worried about me, I'm worried about the huge number of women with low educational attainment, cultural differences, ESOL or learning difficulties who are being disadvantaged by their lack of knowledge about what a cervix is.

It's not about gender politics (see my previous post), it's about making sure that the people who need the information get it in a way that helps when make good decisions for their health.

It's lovely that Alex and Jo get the information, but can we also take care of all of the Monika's and Zoe's?

(Monika's English isn't good enough for her to attend dr's appointments without a friend and Zoe has learning disabilities. Neither of them know they're a person with a cervix)

ASimpleLampoon
Jo went to university. So did you. Alex is one of your colleagues therefore likely to be educated or intelligent.

Are you seriously trying to tell me Jo and Alex being biological females wouldn’t realise they had cervixes and could get cervical cancer if the wording stated women?

As biological males it therefore seems extremely strange Transwomen aren’t having the same dilemma and demanding for the prostate campaigns to change to be inclusive.

In the absense of complaint, it is fair therefore to deduce they don’t seem to be confused in the same way. Is that because they have superior brains and can cope with the cognitive dissonance better? Or is it perhaps because they don’t give a shit about being called men when linked to health and their male biology?

Your argument makes zero sense.

Interesting

The Cancer Research Website states

www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/cervical-cancer/getting-diagnosed/screening

The NHS cervical screening programme invites women aged between 25 and 64 for cervical screening. Screening also applies to other people within this age range who have a cervix, such as trans men

So it seems the OP might not be true.

It’s the erasure of the word ‘woman’ from the context that angers me. I am a biological woman. Do not give me some silly made up name like ‘cis’.

Given that the translation of the latin cervix is 'neck' and the word is a medical term that is also used for neck (eg cervical vertebrae) I would guess that there are more people who coould misunderstand 'anyone with a cervix' as compared to 'all women'.
But obviously transgender sensitivity trumps plain english. (that's if trumps is still a verb?)

Women get cervical cancer. Not men.

Trans people will be in regular contact with the medical profession about their biologies so can be reminded then about their screening.

Campaigns like this need to reach as many people as possible. It's about saving their lives. That is why the word 'men' has been left when referring to prostate cancer and why the word 'women' needs to be included for female cancers. It is clear and simple.

Make no mistake this has not come about because of the need to be sensitive to women who've had hysterectomies, but because men who want to be women are not happy that there is something exclusively female that they're not included in.

Biology matters.

But obviously transgender sensitivity trumps plain english

Except that many people on here have fallen for FAKE NEWS

www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/cervical-cancer/getting-diagnosed/screening

"The NHS cervical screening programme invites women aged between 25 and 64 for cervical screening. Screening also applies to other people within this age range who have a cervix, such as trans men"

@SittingAround1 spot on.

I fear I’ve just peaked. Scunnered isn’t the word.

I agree that this is dangerous due to the number of people who have no clue about their own biology and potentially have no idea what a cervix is. Ad campaign should use everyday language. Like the one that says 'if you have a problem with your poo' rather than saying 'faeces' or 'bowel movements'. Presumably that is to make sure everyone knows what they are talking about.

Beyondsceptical the NHS info about the HPV virus states that immunising girls also reduces risk to boys through herd immunity. It also states that men who have sex with men may therefore be eligible for the vaccine.

Except that many people on here have fallen for FAKE NEWS

It's not fake news - they're just not very consistent.

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