Come off it Cancer Research UK

[Noviceoftheweek]

So now women aren't even mentioned in cervical screening awareness activity. To quote Cancer Research UK: "cervical screening (or the smear test) is relevant for everyone aged 25-64 with a cervix."

I despair, I really do.

@StoorieHoose it's less about not realising a smear is necessary and more about body dysphoria, fear of judgment from clinicians and healthcare professionals, anxiety about being midgendered etc etc. The more we normalise the concept that not everybody happens to have their gender corresponding with their sex, the less of an issue these things will be, and the healthier and happier trans people will be.

That is not an argument to adapt commonly understood terminology to take account of the delusions of a tiny minority.

Specifying sex would also be irrelevant to whether you need a smear because... only people with a cervix need a smear.

Nothing is being adapted. Cervix is the only requirement for needing a smear.
Only those with cervixes need a smear: whether they identify as male or female and whether they were born as male or female.

It does not matter: if you have a cervix, you need a smear.
If you don't have a cervix (removed surgically, or because you never had one) then you don't need a smear.

The more we normalise the concept of not everyone having their gender aligned with their sex, the more confused and unhappy the population at large will be.

"That is not an argument to adapt commonly understood terminology to take account of the delusions of a tiny minority."

That's an awful lot of big words just to say "I wont consider any concessions to wording at all, even if it means trans people are more likely to die a horrible death because of it."
For someone so passionate about terminology being commonly understand, you don't practice it yourself.

"I despair, I really do."

The sad thing is I believe you. You really do think that the passage you quoted is a big patriarchal / TRA conspiracy designed to erode and erase women and our 'lived experience, don't you?

Do you think the person who wrote that sentence knows or cares about whether they said 'all women' or 'everyone' or whatever else.

It's time for you to put the tin foil hat away.

oh dear op your desperation to trans-bash has made you very narrow minded hasn’t it?

Women who have had surgery such as a hysterectomy are told by their consultant if they dont need to attend any more. Until then they should go.

'not all women have cervixes and they shouldn't be made to feel like they are lesser or somehow not real women because they don't have cervixes.'

But does any woman actually feel that way in reality?
I've met lots of women who have had hysterectomies - friends, family and colleagues - and no-one has ever expressed that opinion.

And if women don’t understand “people with a cervix” means them? If we lose women because of the newspeak terminology?

I also think it’s pretty clear and sensible phrasing.

And I also think that its the individual and their GPs responsibility to take care of private health issues. A transman can of course, just like many women, choose to not get a smear for example but that is up to them.

Men can have breasts, but NHS only offers annual mammograms to women - presumably because breast cancer is (female) hormone driven.

I worry that the group they exclude by only using "cervix" is larger than the group who would feel excluded if it said "women/female".

A lot of women know little about their own anatomy, and that's without thinking of the learning disabilities and ESL speakers mentioned above.

@user1499173618 I doubt there's any possibility of opening your mind on this issue, but in all the many years I have been very engaged in the debate on trans rights, I've never seen any evidence supporting the conclusion that accepting and understanding trans people causes mass confusion and unhappiness in the general population.

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/vagina-study-nearly-half-of-british-women-cannot-identify-vulva-cervix-a7219656.html

I think you need to open your eyes, then. It’s happening all around.

And if women don’t understand “people with a cervix” means them? If we lose women because of the newspeak terminology?

Seriously? You think that poor, feeble-minded women will stop reading and tune out when they see the word "everyone" instead of "women" because they think the word "everyone" doesn't apply to them?

77, look at the research from the eve appeal

There's plenty of women who don't have a cervix.......

So get off your anti-LGBT high horse.

I don’t think women are poor or feeble minded when they fail to catch on to newspeak as quickly as those who invented it.

when awareness of certain conditions is heavily gendered

I see your point. But using words like 'woman' and 'man' should not be seen as a 'gendering' or 'gendered' act.

it baffles me that people can link absolutely everything back to the trans debate. For example, babies who are born ' intersex' are not as rare as most people think. It just is never talked about. A good friend of mine had a little boy born with some female reproductive organs.
Using the term 'with a cervix ' seems perfectly resonable to me.
YABU op.

This kind of phraseology is purely to accommodate people who think they can opt out of their sexed bodies.

Doesn't matter that a far higher proportion have learning needs, or have English as an additional language or just don't realise what a cervix is and therefore won't know that a promotion is aimed at them. Those people will have to do without.

Plenty of women have hysterectomies, have hormone imbalances that mean they don't fit in with expectations etc etc but it isn't them who are kicking up a fuss.

Pretty sure the word "everyone" is not newspeak