To think Scotland has a better future than England

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The state of the UK today makes me utterly depressed. A Brexit voted for on the basis of lies, an anti-immigrant rhetoric, and a general attitude of unwelcome.

But yet, in Scotland, the message is very different - a focus on welcoming people to the country, an opposition to Brexit, and a real debate about the future.

It genuinely saddens me to be part of a wider country that appears intent on going back, but never forward.

@Calyx, no they weren't supposed to come back directly to Scotland. This is for the reasons above, that these are EU powers and Scotland is not the EU member, the UK gov is. No power grab. That is the truth.

Totally agree @PolkerrisBeach. I hope this thread at least will let people south of the border know that the SNP serve the nationalist cause, not the whole of Scotland.

All this free stuff is simply bribery.
Yep. If you don't believe this, look up 'Barnett Formula' . Basically, Scotland etc., get more money per person than England does. This is the only reason it can fund free prescriptions and University Education.

Without England, they would not be able to fund a piss-up in a whisky distillery. Nicola Sturgeon uses the same marketing nonsense that the Brexiteers used. Remember the money they promised to fund the NHS?

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us Gaslighting? Looks like several paragraphs of it. I refer to the psychological abuse stuff above.

@Ronatheseal. I'm no gaslighter, and no psychological abuser. I just don't agree with your version of reality and have argued my points accordingly. This is simply debate. Anyone reading through the thread can decide for themselves what to make of it.

Totally agree @PolkerrisBeach. I hope this thread at least will let people south of the border know that the SNP serve the nationalist cause, not the whole of Scotland

Indeed!

I suspect the Greeks would jump at the chance to join Britain and be able to have their deficit covered. Surely that is the more valid comparison than rejoining the ottoman empire.

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us So, imagine you and your flatmate Camilla decide you want to join some neighbourhood watch, and you give £300 each into some membership deposit. Later, Camilla gets in a big fight with the other members of the group because they 'dissed' her, and then pulls you both out against your will. Is Camilla entitled to pocket your £300 because she wants to buy, I dunno, some new furniture? Maybe you want your own new furniture? Maybe you want to go on holiday? Maybe you need to eat? Tough, love, it was never your money, the Neighbourhood Watch had it. Now I'm using it for the good of both of us. You have even more money now that you don't have to pay fees. I'm keeping the £300 love, it's mine, I have the power. Suck it up grievance merchant! BTW, I'm removing the door from your bedroom and taking all your wages. Don't worry, baby, you'll get some pocket money. It's more than you deserve, but that's because I'm a great girl. If you need any new clothes, I might help you out, we'll see if you're good. But any more childish stunts and I'll set my Daily Mail and Daily Express dogs on you and reduce your pocket money. Lucky I don't boot you out.

The SNP do not speak for me. I shiver at the very thought of it.

Jaxhog - "Without England, they would not be able to fund a piss-up in a whisky distillery"

Really? A resource rich country with plenty to export, wind and wave energy, clean water and plenty of it, food and drink industry worth billions, whisky industry ditto, even gin now doing rather well, tourism, financial sector, games industry, etc etc etc, "needs" England. Why's that then? How come Scotland is uniquely unfit to be independent when nearly all other countries are? Oh I nearly forgot the oil too.

When you move away from scotland you really get your eyes opened.

When I was younger, my views on the SNP were different than they are now.

I think that was the reason SNP did not open up the vote to Scots in the rest of the UK................

Totally agree @PolkerrisBeach. I hope this thread at least will let people south of the border know that the SNP serve the nationalist cause, not the whole of Scotland

By that then the Tory Goverment represents the Tory cause and the mainly English electorate who voted for them!

Representative politicians don't speak for everyone in the country. However, on the powergrab the SNP are speaking for 3/4s of Scots, including most unionists. All Scottish parties except the Tories opposed it. Even most Tory voters support devolution. Maybot couldn't care less. She can so she does. With more time she'll go after even more. She and the Tories love Scotland the way foxes love sheep.

When you move away from scotland you really get your eyes opened

Hi LM, would really love to know what you mean by that?

I have family from Fraserburgh and Perth, but haven't been back for decades.

I voted to remain in the EU. I am very much a Unionist.

The SNP do not speak for me on this "power grab" thing or on anything else either. It's totally wrong to say that they are representing those of us who voted remain and live in Scotland. Totally wrong. Utterly wrong. Completely wrong.

SNP speak for nationalists. End of story.

@PolkerrisBeach The SNP's position on this is the same as that of Labour, the Lib Dems and the Greens, about 3/4s of voters. The devolution settlement is supported by 4/5s of voters. Scotland, its parties and voters have a clear democratic position on these. So, the SNP walkout MPs are speaking for vast majority of Scots, end of. Scotland opposes the powergrab and supports devolution. Scotland reviles the Tories. These are true. If you disagree with these positions that's fine, democracy is about diversity, but it's fundamentally wrong to suggest that their position is an isolated one. It's also an anti-democratic thing, because it suggests that the country is more divided on the subject than it is.

Oh and I'm not a conservative voter either.

(Have you noticed the SNP-bots are pre-programmed to never use the word Conservative, it's always "Tory"? I think they actually spontaneously combust if someone says "Conservative" in their presence.)

No one can say what proportion of scots support the SNP on the transfer of EU powers to the UK issue.

@PolkerrisBeach 'Have you noticed the SNP-bots are pre-programmed to never use the word Conservative'
Have I noticed? No, I haven't. I imagine that people write Tory because it's shorter, but not really thought about it. But maybe you're right, maybe this is true, maybe there is some profound truth to be learned from it. Why don't you collect profound observations like this and publish them. PolkerrisBeach's Profound and Deeply Observant Observations on Politics and Life, by PolkerrisBeach, thinker and raconteur? With all the earnings you could join the ranks of JK Rowling and use your wealth to fight the vile Scotchnats and their villanous bots!

Have you noticed that us vile Scot nats are never accused of being anti-Welsh or anti-Northern Irish when we talk about Westminster. Just stuck me when reading the thread here. Wonder why that is?

@Nyx Indeed, yes. :) It's one of the cyberyoon paradoxes. The UK is not just the English state with some appendices, it is England, Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland. But, the remotest sign of dissent towards the UK from any normal Scots and you're 'anti-English'. You'll also notice that these activists will argue that Scotland and England are no different to each other, then will argue that England is the greatest country on earth but that identical Scotland is poor little deficient Scotland and can't stand alone.

Oh, I think we all know that the SNP is anti absolutely everything which isn't Scottish. And they're even anti those of us who are Scottish, but don't buy into their nationalism.

They quite like the Welsh Plaid Cmyru lot though.

@PolkerrisBeach Please name ten things the SNP are 'anti' because the thing is not Scottish, and please give some evidence. If they are anti every non-Scottish thing that isn't much to ask. I'm sure you don't want us thinking you spread vacuous smears.

Jaxhog repeats the assertion that Scotland is too poor for independence- without England (note, without England, not without RoUK, or outside of the UK) Scotland couldn’t afford a piss up in a whisky distillery.

Fine, if we are so incredibly burdensome, then let us go. Let us go.

Those (resident outside of Scotland) who shout loudest about the Scotland’s inability to function as an independent country without their subsidies appear to be those who, perversely, want to make sure that we remain shackled to them, so we can continue to leech off them 🤔

Sorry Rona, not interested in arguing the toss with Cybernats. Life's too short. And besides, I have a life and job to be getting on with. Will never, ever vote SNP so don't waste your time evangelising at me.