To think a lot of left wing people are actually close minded?

[DeepFatFriar]

Close minded as in not receptive to other peoples views.

Disclaimer: i consider myself left wing.

But at the same time, I'm quite happy to have a talk with someone down the pub who might be anti immigration or anti abortion. As long as they've thought their point out properly, im open to debate and i dont feell offended by their views.
But it feels like a lot of the left wing people i come across just go into "racist twat! Fucking tory!" mode- like theyre incapable of seeing that situations are often a bit more complex than just this is right/thats wrong.

For example with Brexit, i voted remain and was gutted by the result - at the same time, i felt a bit irritated by fellow remainers "theyre all little englander tory twats" attitude to brexiters. Yeah, some of them are. Others just have a different POV, you know?

I was discussing this with my mum and she said back in her day (im assuming this means the 70s!) "conversation felt more nuanced".

It sometimes feels like a lot of left wing people just want to live in an echo chamber. I think you need to try and keep an open mind to different points of view. You clearly dont have to agree. But you can at least accept that people have different mindsets because they've had different experiences - it doesnt make them a worse person though.

Haha. You have literally no idea. Far left? Piss off.

Far left? Piss off.

Often wish they would!

@LadyWithLapdog

What would you like me to clarify...

100% agree, my brother is a leftie and very very closed minded

Justanothetlurker - as you said yourself, yours was a rant and not a discussion. Some of those things need clarifying in your own mind first, sounds like a mess.

The extreme left & the extreme right attract exactly the same type of person. ( not very nice people )

surferjet has it exactly (and she and I are at absolute opposite ends of the political spectrum). There are quite a few people on this thread who have not covered themselves in glory. Some of them are the ones gleefully talking about 'the far left' - look in the mirror, people. You are exactly the same.

@lindalee3

TBF, for all my personal faults with BertrandRussell, she is not far left.
She may be deeply involved with Identity politics but she is far more agreeing with the "right" on criticism of religion than I doubt she will admit.

Thats the problem, there is no "left/right" any more in the traditional sense, eg:brexit. It is those who don't want to admit to being a dirty centrist and treat politics as a team sport.

The problem is, those right of centre accept being the dirty centrists, those on the left try to hide behind some badge of honour of being of working class background, both situations openly shit on them but only one side pretends they speak for them.

Irma, apologies it was Frankfurt where it had been shown to be made up.
I'm pleased you asked for your fucking disgusting comment to be deleted. I await your apology.

There are mumsnetters who will attest to my scars where I was beaten up by NF in the seventies.

What ? there's a badge Lurker ? Why didn't I get one ? do I need to fill in a form ?

Gilead

I'm pleased you asked for your fucking disgusting comment to be deleted. I await your apology.

Was Irma's comment as disgusting as the one in which you attempted to erase the abuse suffered by hundreds of German women in Cologne?

common read the post. I apologised. I got muddled with Frankfurt. So yes, I expect an apology.

"Was Irma's comment as disgusting as the one in which you attempted to erase the abuse suffered by hundreds of German women in Cologne?" Yes. Irma suggested Gilead was a holocaust denier. I think I know which one is more disgusting.

No, Irma was suggesting that to deny an event as indisputable as the Cologne attacks was as outrageous as denying the Holocaust. A hyperbole, certainly, but not logically equivalent to a direct accusation of Holocaust denial.

Reading comprehension - give it a go sometime!

Fair enough. It must be lovely to be so sure of the moral high ground. But the Right is famous for that. Personally, I'd be scrambling apologise if It even looked as if I'd accused anyone of being a holocaust denier, rather than weaselling around trying to justify it. But each, as they say, to their own.

As far as I'm concerned I was being accused common. I'm a retired lecturer so don't bullshit me, or gaslight me. I made a genuine mistake. I apologised. It's not in any way unreasonable for me to expect an apology for a such an abominable accusation.
Your moment to Betrand about reading comprehension was uncalled for.

There is a huge amount of generalisation going on in this thread and in places just blatant ‘leftie’ bashing. There is also a lot of conflicting opinions on who ‘lefties’ even are. I’ve seen one person say they hate grammar and private schools and another say they send their kids to grammar schools. I think all this thread proves is that their are closed minded people on every side of the political spectrum and also within hour own selves depending on the topic.

To be fair to irma they were called out on it, reported themselves and didn't make up an excuse.

I agree to some extent Dobby. However, I apologised for making a mistake. To expect an apology under the circumstances, is not unreasonable. I've been here long enough for most to know my views, and they are about as far removed from the accusation as it's possible to be.

gilead I'm not suggesting you're wrong to want an apology, it was more the excuses that were being made. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

As far as I'm concerned I was being accused common. I'm a retired lecturer so don't bullshit me, or gaslight me. I made a genuine mistake. I apologised. It's not in any way unreasonable for me to expect an apology for a such an abominable accusation.

Perhaps you could use those retired skills to form an actual argument, rather than an assertion of opinion? Irma was making an analogy - a somewhat ham-fisted one, but still just an analogy.

No common I can't be arsed with patronising folk who have been on here for ten minutes. I'm owed an apology and that's all there is to it, so unless you're the person concerned in another guise, bugger off.

Anything to avoid making an argument. No, I'm not Irma, and I dare say she should apologize for the sensationalism of her analogy, if nothing else.

Actually the accusation that the attackers in Cologne were refugees is incorrect, there were of course many that were from BAME backgrounds, but most had been in Germany for a fair amount of time, and only two had recently arrived in the country.

I've also never seen "lefties" trying to cover up, or make excuses for these crimes. I've often seen the Guardian accused of not reporting it, but the Guardian reported it as news on the same day every other media out let had it because there was a police enforced media black out.

On this thread, where right wingers are pretending to be intolerant I've seen a lot of vitriol and insults from one side and not the other. "

Omg do you not remember the articles from the Guardian, they were awful, blaming the women for tempting men with their wonderful expensive phones, as for not being refugees, no one knows who they were as no arrests were made