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The slog of this authoritarian shitshow is grinding us all down. My inspiration has gone into hiding with Melania. Knock yourselves out! (Trump cont.)

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boatyardblues · 05/06/2018 21:57

Does what it says on the tin. 🤷‍♂️

Here’s the last thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3258057-I-Spy-with-My-Little-Eye-Something-Beginning-with-T-Traitorous-Treasonweasels-in-Trumptown-Trump-contd

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lionheart · 10/06/2018 13:22

John McCain

Verified account

@SenJohnMcCain

'To our allies: bipartisan majorities of Americans remain pro-free trade, pro-globalization & supportive of alliances based on 70 years of shared values. Americans stand with you, even if our president doesn’t.'

lionheart · 10/06/2018 13:38

This is an extraordinary and awful piece of history (US/NK).

www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/06/axe-murder-north-korea-1976/562028/

'In 1976, two American soldiers were axed to death over a poplar tree. What came next threatened to change the course of history.'

AcrossthePond55 · 10/06/2018 14:25

Bless you, Sen McCain.

He'd have made a good Democrat if he'd had more liberal views. And he probably would have been elected President if he had been.

Lweji · 10/06/2018 14:34

Hmmm
Not really sure about McCain. He seems opportunistic many ways, as well as hypocritical.
He ran with Palin...

He just seems better than the current crop of Republicans.

AcrossthePond55 · 10/06/2018 15:35

He's admitted that Palin was a huge mistake, and that he had allowed himself to be persuaded by the GOP.

There's a good documentary about him on HBO and HBO go, if you have access. It's called "John McCain: For Whom the Bell Tolls". He discusses Palin and also his part in the Keating 5 scandal.

ohmymimi · 10/06/2018 15:38

'WASHINGTON — President Trump’s top economic adviser said on Sunday that Mr. Trump had pulled out of a joint statement with allies at the Group of 7 meeting over the weekend because a “betrayal” by the Canadian prime minister had threatened to make Mr. Trump appear weak before his summit meeting on Tuesday with North Korea’s leader.

The adviser, Larry Kudlow, said that Mr. Trump had no choice but to take the action after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said in a news conference that Canada would not be pushed around by the United States on trade.

Mr. Trudeau “stabbed us in the back,” Mr. Kudlow said, by making his remarks after the president had already agreed to sign the joint statement and had left for his historic meeting with Kim Jong-un in Singapore.

“We joined the communiqué in good faith,” Mr. Kudlow said on CNN’s “State of the Union” program. “You just don’t behave that way, O.K.? It’s a betrayal.” '
www.nytimes.com/2018/06/10/us/politics/trump-kudlow-g7.html

(Err, who said this at his post G7 presser after dipping out early?
"We're like the piggy bank that everybody is robbing.")

ohmymimi · 10/06/2018 15:51

Insignificant details, he's been preparing for it all his life:

'As President Trump prepares to meet Kim Jong-un of North Korea to negotiate denuclearization, a challenge that has bedeviled the world for years, he is doing so without the help of a White House science adviser or senior counselor trained in nuclear physics.'
www.nytimes.com/2018/06/09/climate/trump-administration-science.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

ohmymimi · 10/06/2018 15:54

Oh, Hmm
“You need to have an empowered senior science adviser at the table,” said R. Nicholas Burns, who led negotiations with India over a civilian nuclear deal during the George W. Bush administration. “You can be sure the other side will have that.”

ohmymimi · 10/06/2018 16:02

Well, least back at the WH all is just fine:
<a class="break-all" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/10/us/politics/trump-turnover.html#click=t.co/M9XUOZ0niv" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.nytimes.com/2018/06/10/us/politics/trump-turnover.html#click=t.co/M9XUOZ0niv

Gumpendorf · 10/06/2018 16:29

I feel we've reached a(nother) new low.

W.H. trade adviser Peter Navarro: "There’s a special place in hell for any foreign leader that engages in bad faith diplomacy with Pres. Donald J. Trump and then tries to stab him in the back on the way out ... that’s what bad faith Justin Trudeau did." twitter.com/FoxNewsSunday/status/1005822143328710661/video/1

Gumpendorf · 10/06/2018 16:31

I'm still Confused at the Navarro interview. Trump talks nice about Putin and KJU and is almost declaring war on Canada. Just 🤯

lettuceWrap · 10/06/2018 17:28

Childish yes, but nevertheless it raised a wry smile in the Wrap household, in a funny/not funny way.

www.facebook.com/1229017240518952/posts/1728637323890272/

lettuceWrap · 10/06/2018 17:29

Screenshot -

The slog of this authoritarian shitshow is grinding us all down. My inspiration has gone into hiding with Melania. Knock yourselves out! (Trump cont.)
ohmymimi · 10/06/2018 18:09

'Wisconsin reeling from tariffs coming from Mexico, Canada, Europe'
eu.jsonline.com/story/money/business/2018/06/08/tariffs-take-toll-wisconsin-manufacturers/68202900

( 'Donald Trump won Wisconsin by a narrow margin of 47.2% to 46.5% for Hillary Clinton, thanks to overwhelming and underestimated support from white working class voters which the Democrats had previously had an advantage with making him the first Republican candidate to carry the state since Ronald Reagan in 1984. .....
Wisconsin was also the tipping point state of the 2016 election.'
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Wisconsin,_2016 )

ohmymimi · 10/06/2018 18:32

That pic. is now my tablet wallpaper, lettuce Grin

boatyardblues · 10/06/2018 18:34

Raised a chuckle here too, Lettuce.

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AcrossthePond55 · 10/06/2018 18:50

That photo is hilarious! And figuratively if not literally true!

ohmymimi · 10/06/2018 18:59

David Frum
@davidfrum
See this thread. And while nobody can be sure re Trump, Kudlow certainly knows that he is speaking untruths. Kudlow tried to smooth things at G7, failed, and well understands whose fault it is that he failed.
mobile.twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1005809347757334528
Daniel Dale
@ddale8
It's genuinely unclear what Trump and Kudlow are complaining about. Trump left the G-7 and did a news conference bashing Canada on trade. Then Trudeau did a news conference in which he said the same things about the steel/aluminum tariffs he's been saying for a week.
mobile.twitter.com/ddale8/status/1005800471292989451
Kudlow:
mobile.twitter.com/CNN/status/1005828181192892416
Navarro:
mobile.twitter.com/WardDPatrick/status/1005824522409431040/video/1

Lweji · 10/06/2018 19:06

I've been looking at that photo (and all the memes) and to me it illustrates why the G6, and others are failing.
They are trying to use adult language with a toddler.
IME, it doesn't work. The more you insist, the more he resists.
Distraction and ignoring does, though.

ohmymimi · 10/06/2018 21:26

Damage done. Dangerous times.

From that Axios piece posted earlier (18.14):

'Why Xi and Putin think "the West is in free fall"

Chinese leader Xi Jinping and Russia's Vladimir Putin are strategizing how to reposition themselves for a new, more powerful future amid a rapid deterioration of the U.S.-led global order.

What we're hearing: Xi and Putin, meeting Friday in Beijing and again yesterday in the city of Qingdao, don't appear to think they have the cachet — even combined — to create an entirely new system. Nor is it clear that at the moment they would want to trash the U.S.-led institutions that have anchored the global economy and political order since World War II.
But look for the mutually distrustful pair to feel out ways to transition to a new world in which a loose grouping of China, Russia and their allies can become more or less the geopolitical equals of the West.'

And from an NYT opinion piece today:

'Trump Tries to Destroy the West'

Is that how he thinks about it? Who knows. It’s impossible to get inside his head and divine his strategic goals, if he even has long-term goals. But put it this way: If a president of the United States were to sketch out a secret, detailed plan to break up the Atlantic alliance, that plan would bear a striking resemblance to Trump’s behavior.

It would involve outward hostility to the leaders of Canada, Britain, France, Germany and Japan. Specifically, it would involve picking fights over artificial issues — not to win big concessions for the United States, but to create conflict for the sake of it.

A secret plan to break up the West would also have the United States looking for new allies to replace the discarded ones. The most obvious would be Russia, the biggest rival within Europe to Germany, France and Britain. And just as Russia does, a United States intent on wrecking the Atlantic alliance would meddle in the domestic politics of other countries to install new governments that also rejected the old alliance. ...........

'For America’s longtime allies, the response means shedding the hopeful optimism that characterized the early approach taken by Trudeau and Emmanuel Macron, France’s president. Merkel is the right role model. She has been tougher, without needlessly escalating matters, because she has understood the threat all along.'
www.nytimes.com/2018/06/10/opinion/g7-trump-quebec-trudeau.html

ohmymimi · 10/06/2018 21:48

This was prompted by the publication of Mattis' Nat. Def. Strategy. One (huge) flaw in the strategy this piece suggests is that the US has no-one of political/diplomatic skill, experience, calibre or temperament to deliver it.

'Trump’s house divided: Coexistence or cold war with China and Russia?'
thehill.com/opinion/national-security/374567-trumps-house-divided-coexistence-or-cold-war-with-china-and-russia