AIBU To think universal credit are cf

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Just been looking into universal credit. Family's on low income would claim child tax and working tax credits, renew annually and thats it.

Now with universal credit your expected to sign a work commitment, and have meetings with a work coach to find better paid work. Like what, retail, catering and other industries have paid low wages historically.

Seems to me that this government is making low income Family's jump through hoops to get their benefits rather than go after the multi million pound employers that don't pay their employees a decent livable income.

Jus me or is this really fecking out of line. Is our government happy to subsidise low paying employers while making hard working families on low income have to hump hoops.

I think zero hours contracts are a disgrace and a large part of the reason people need to claim benefits. I'd tackle them first.

I swear some people won't be happy till it becomes common place to have the council removing corpses from the street on a regular basis and shanty towns on the edge of every city...

You think the economy is bad now? Have a look at what would happen if every low paid worker was plucked out of exsistence.

This isn't a problem that is going to go away. Automation and technology are making more and more jobs extinct. That was always the goal and originally sold as a way to increase leisure time.

As a society we need to decide on a way to distribute wealth fairly in exchange for contribution to the wider society whilst protecting our vulnerable.

The uk is in no way 'poor' and is educated enough to understand the morality and that treating human beings like dirt is reprehensible in a civilised society.

'Earn more' is neither helpful or achievable. It simply shows it's speaker up as an ignorant simpleton with no understanding of investment or compassion.

People don't have crystal balls but it's not rocket science to see that if you have numerous children and the relationship breaks down that you can't then afford to support so many. Given the divorce statistics it's not hard to believe a relationship may not last.

Wow, Boxsets that's good even for you! We've all got to be fucking psychic now. And don't come back with shit about planning for the future. Things happen. I'm not spiteful so I hope it doesn't happen to you, but for those of us it did happen to, your bullshit is spiteful, mean and petty.

This cuddly, left wing ideology probably comes as a great comfort to those on UC who have made good and bad decisions alike, but what does it do for the young girls who don't hear this stuff from their parents?

It's the sort of thing that keeps women in particular locked in poverty, and I don't like it.

I'm not a fan of UC, incidentally.

This cuddly, left wing ideology probably comes as a great comfort to those on UC who have made good and bad decisions alike, but what does it do for the young girls who don't hear this stuff from their parents?
What cuddly left wing ideology? I'm not saying we shouldn't plan for the future, in fact I did, still got fucked up. The point is that not everyone has the same chances, not everyone has the same level of education and for those of us it's already happened to it's too late, but according to Boxsets usual nonsense we should have planned for the future. Those of us that tried (to explain or to plan) are dismissed.
I am not for one second saying do not educate.

Don't you think low income families should and steps to earn more and stop being a drain on society? Stop having children you all can't afford and train so you can earn more. Perhaps if you knew how to use an apostrophe you could get a better job

To whom are you addressing your comments Whatshall?

Oh, and it's probably better to ensure your sentences are of perfect structure before commenting on those of other folks!

As for children people can't afford etc. etc. Whatshall. I had four, two singletons and twins. Can't really plan for that. I was a lecturer, didn't plan to become seriously ill. Didn't plan to end up a single parent either, but WA were helpful, particularly where benefits were concerned.

I think zero hours contracts are a disgrace and a large part of the reason people need to claim benefits. I'd tackle them first.

This with bells on

There will always be differences in society and some post on this thread are incredibly ignorant

Next time a nurse looks after you in hospital remember she could have chosen s better career path and not have to rely on benefits to live in an area where rents are hihgh and work in the local hospital

If all nurses studied to become doctors, we'd all be screwed.

Exactly, but with high rents in some areas nurses wages allow them to apply for housing benefit. This will soon become UC where now they will be coached to maximise there income....

Someone has already admitted to working below their ability level on this thread (and in her case the introduction of universal credit has had the desired effect of returning her to the more economically beneficial work that brings a higher pay).

You sound a bit smug User. *
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Luckily DH is entitled to PIP, as long as we are exempt from this shit shower I can continue helping people and doing something worthwhile.

stop being a drain on society but that's what benefits are for - to help those in need.

I agree that those who are able to work should work, and when their children are older they should look to increase their hours. I also think it's right that you should discuss your workability with an advisor. Sanctions are right if you fail to turn up for an appointment after all you wouldn't fail to turn up for a GP appointment.(Although certain aspects of society would).

i did study hard and i had a good job ( i was a nurse) unfortunatly shit happes and my second child is severly autistic and has learning disabilities

Gin you do know that numerous people get sanctioned because they were in hospital don't you?

I'm not entirely sure where all these jobs, increased hours and pay are going to come from.

Sanctions
Ridiculous Sanctions
Gin, somebody was sanctioned because they were late. They were late because of the queue in the benefits centre. In what way would you consider that to be fair?

Exactly, but with high rents in some areas nurses wages allow them to apply for housing benefit. This will soon become UC where now they will be coached to maximise there income....

That's straightforwardly bonkers.

Surely this can't be the case that someone employed in a full-time vocation (having shortages) could possibly be sanctioned for not switching vocations, which is I guess what this seems to suggest?

Mothers of one year olds have been sanctioned for not being able to take night shifts because no childcare. That's not even within the UC rules.

Personally I believe no one should have any children until they have a five bedroom house with no mortgage and at least 200k in the account per child. Childbearing should be for the elite only.

People like nursery workers, or nurses should stop being so lazy and start earning some real money if they want to have kids of their own!

Don't you think low income families should and steps to earn more and stop being a drain on society? Stop having children you all can't afford and train so you can earn more. Perhaps if you knew how to use an apostrophe you could get a better job

I said it further up but will say it again - I am a full time teacher, I tutor I. The evenings and mark exams in the summer. And I am still entitled to Tax Credits. What additional training would you like me to do? My ex husband has little interest in our children - it would cost a lot more to society for me to put them in care. What is it that you want people to do? We are not just talking about minimum wage jobs on zero hour contracts. Professional people are struggling.

Don't you think low income families should and steps to earn more and stop being a drain on society? Stop having children you all can't afford and train so you can earn more.

So you seriously think nursery workers, nurses and teachers should not be able to reproduce? If all low-paid workers could just retrain and earn more (obviously economics wasn't your strong point) then who is going to do the low-paid jobs and are these new low paid workers going to be aloud to have families?

Gin UC claimants are having to take time off work to attend JC appointments.

So does uc take into account caring for a disabled child. I am fortunate enough to have a school hours job and can pick up and drop off. Dh is self employed and does term time only. As a result we don’t earn that much and get topped up with tax credits and a bit of dla for our son. Our son can not access mainstream childcare and holiday clubs. I am working below my ability level in an admin job ( have an engineering degree)