Trigger warning: Germain Greer's opinion on rape...

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I can't actually get my head around this. How can a woman think like this? I have two daughters and comments like hers frighten me. I teach consent to 15 year olds and this goes against everything I try to teach them. I just dont get how anyone can think like this.

news.sky.com/story/germaine-greer-says-most-rape-is-bad-sex-not-violent-crime-11390855

what legal recourse would I have, peach?

None. And if by some miracle it did go to trial you would have to prove you did not consent. Justify what you were wearing,your sexual habits. Justify every reaction and action between the rape and the trial. And if by any chance you are not devastated "enough" or worse calm/angry you have to justify that too. And God forbid you have kids and express any kind of reluctance over contact,then you definitely become the bitter crazy woman trying to ruin a man and keep him away from his kids.

And even if you did everything "right" and everything went smoothly? Juries still are fucking reluctant to convict.

Recognising that marital rape is a crime worthy of 5 years' imprisonment. Increasing its severity as a crime, not decreasing it

And you genuinely believe that will actually lead to MORE rape convictions?

@RebelRogue So is the solution to that problem to treat marital rape as if it's less of a crime than rape by a stranger?

@TheStoic Yes, I do. The more marital rape is recognised as the crime that it is, the more willing women will be to report it, the more willing police will be to investigate, the more willing the CPS will be to prosecute and the more willing juries will be to convict.

And don't forget the legal precedent has been set for a possible "I turned over in the night and accidentally penetrated her" defense actually working!

Not saying your DH is a Sauid millionaire, Stoic , but a legal precedent is a legal precedent

The more marital rape is recognised as the crime that it is, the more willing women will be to report it, the more willing police will be to investigate, the more willing the CPS will be to prosecute and the more willing juries will be to convict.

Yet that is not what’s happening, is it? Because right now, marital rape is not classed differently to any other rape.

So why isn’t your way working now?

@peachgreen I think the(suggested)solution is to make sure it's a crime that is prosecuted and convicted and then build on that.

Ideally yes,every case that got to court would end in a conviction and appropriate sentence. But it doesn't happen. It never has. Something needs to change.

Would I really be happy with a "slap on the wrist"? Of course not, but I'm more unhappy with a majority of rapists being found not guilty.

@CuriousaboutSamphire "i tripped and fell on her" has been used successfully ffs!! How more ridiculous can it get before people accept that in cases of rape the cards are stacked in favour of the defendant?

So why isn’t your way working now?

Don't be obtuse. I'm not talking about legal recognition. I'm talking about societal recognition. The very fact that you are here defending Greer is an illustration of the fact that society in general doesn't recognise marital rape as serious. Probably because commentators like Greer continue to say inane things like this.

If a woman goes to a police station and says "my husband raped me" she will not be taken as seriously as a woman who says "I was raped in the street by a stranger", regardless of the fact that they are both considered an equal crime legally. Until that changes, conviction rates will not increase. Reducing the severity of the crime of marital rape will not encourage society to take it more seriously. It will legitimise the view that it is less serious.

@RebelRogue It is already a crime that should be prosecuted. The fact that it's not prosecuted is not going to be solved by saying it's a less serious crime than it currently is.

Don't be obtuse. I'm not talking about legal recognition.

Don’t call me obtuse. It’s rude and obnoxious.

Greer has other suggestions that are worth considering. Your way is not working.

Don't be obtuse. I'm not talking about legal recognition. I'm talking about societal recognition. Page 1, peachy. I said that on page 1.... and I was paraphrasing Greer when I said it!

So, having established that we do all agree on some things.... what can we all do to make changes to the law and to societal understanding?

Yes, Rebel He also claimed he was 'fragile' and that she had pulled him down on top of her.

But, given she was in his flat, and the attitudes of some posters on the Tom Jones thread, she probably was asking for it, wasn't she?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/millionaire-ehsan-abdulaziz-who-said-he-accidentally-tripped-and-penetrated-teen-is-cleared-of-rape-a6774946.html

Greer has other suggestions that are worth considering.

Such as? Because I cannot to believe that an intelligent person can think that redefining marital rape as "bad sex" and punishing it with community service rather than imprisonment is "worth considering".

Sorry - I should have said "deliberately obtuse". I didn't think that you had genuinely misunderstood my meaning regarding legal vs societal recognition. Apparently you did. I apologise.

@CuriousaboutSamphire How does reducing the severity of the criminal punishment for marital rape make society take it more seriously?

I didn't think that you had genuinely misunderstood my meaning regarding legal vs societal recognition. Apparently you did. I apologise.

And now passive aggressive. Not nice.

Page 1, peachy.

If you persist in the repetitive cyclical nature of your posting, I shall simply continue to refer you to the first time I posted something that answers your question... posted before you ask, too!

@TheStoic I wasn't being passive-aggressive, I was genuinely apologising!

@CuriousaboutSamphire I have reread your posts. I do not see where you address my questions.

I don't address your questions anywhere. But I do answer them all in my first couple of posts on this thread. That you disagree with my starting point might mean that you don't see my posts as relevant, I suppose!

But my opinion is there, clearly stated on page 1

@CuriousaboutSamphire Are you talking about your post at 10.41? I agree that if a woman doesn't suffer PTSD her rape is no less of a crime. But that's not what Greer is saying! In fact she's almost saying the opposite, in that she believes marital rape is less of a crime than violent rape. I realise you think I'm just repeating myself but I honestly don't understand how you can make the points you have made here but still defend Greer.

Rape is rape and should be defined as such. We seem to both agree on that. One rape should be taken as seriously as another, no matter what the circumstances. We agree on that. Rape should be punished with a prison sentence. We agree on that. But Greer does not agree with these points.

But that's not what Greer is saying! In fact she's almost saying the opposite, in that she believes marital rape is less of a crime than violent rape. You can keep on saying that. It is your opinion. But please, don't keep on making me explain why I disagree.

It's not my opinion, it is a fact. She is calling for lesser sentencing for marital rape than violent rape.

It's not my opinion, it is a fact. She is calling for lesser sentencing for marital rape than violent rape. If you can't see that then we will have to agree to disagree.

Yes miss!

One thing we can all agree on is that the system as it is now is not working.