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To refuse to stop giving my DD money???

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DepressedOtter · 31/05/2018 15:30

I have 3 DD's, DD1 + DD2 and dd3. All live with me.

Dd1 is 28. works part time. Got into a fair whack of debt and had to move back in with me to try to clear it. She also has a DS aged 3. I look after him for approx 15hrs a week as well as his time at nursery so that she can work. She works approx 26hrs per week but sometimes does up to 30 or as little as 22 (averages 26).

Dd2 is 20. Just left an abusive relationship. Has been here for 2 weeks, no job. But is job hunting while considering studying later in the year. No income, but I buy her food (which is generally pretty cheap. She costs me approx £15 a week total) I also give her £2 for the bus whenever she has an interview, she's had 4 in 2 weeks. Due to her own circumstances she may not be eligible for JSA (a long story) but she is trying as we speak and they may be able to help her with at least advice if not money. But I can't let her starve.

Dd3, disabled, aged 12. Non verbal, in nappies 24/7. Prone to violent meltdowns. Mental age of 3. I am her carer full time and yes, I'm on benefits (burn me for it If you'd like!).

Rent I charge dd1.
Dd1 pays £100 a week, which doesn't even touch what the council are charging me for having her here (£110pw in reduction of HB due to her moving in) let alone her food and her sons food (which I buy) or the rise in bills such as gas and electric - which has been substantial.
All in all having DD1 and her DS here leaves me about 80pw in the hole but I don't say anything as I know she can't really afford to pay any more.

But recently she hasn't even been paying the £100. This week it was £85 but the week before it was £35 she paid, and before that it was £45. Every time I question it she screams and screams at me, which can result in a violent meltdown from dd3.
Dd1 also leaves my house a state most days. She will frequently refuse to help around the house or only do so begrudgingly, even if it's her mess. Sometimes I just leave it for her to sort but sometimes I can't (if for example she has filled my washing machine and there's a load of wet half musty clothes in there while my dirty laundry is backed up). She will leave dishes unwashed for days, to the point where I crack and do them myself.
I'm normally very houseproud and I am miserable with this.
But recently every time I try to say anything about DD1's messiness, lack of reliability with paying (to the point where last week I could not pay my rent to the council, something I can't allow to go on for too long) she screams at me that dd2 is clearly my favourite as she does not have to pay anything and I give her money.

Dd2 does not have to pay for several reasons.
The council aren't charging me anything to have her here (as she has no income).
You can't get blood out of a stone, if I said "pay me £50 a week" or whatever, dd2 would be terrified scrabbling around to sell some of her very few possessions, for £50. Which would help for the first week maybe, but once that money is gone my dd has nothing anymore and I'm no better off for it anyway!
I also don't give my dd money in that sense, as explained I give her £2 for a ticket on the bus when she has a job interview (so she can find work) and I buy her food. She eats cheap stuff which costs me very little.
I also think, given dd1 isn't actually paying what she's costing (which I've tried to tell her but ends in her being shouty, dramatic and saying I favour dd2) she has a right cheek to try and tell me that I can't spend on average £20pw on dd2. Especially because not doing so would mean starving my own child. Something I would not do to either of them (and I would absolutely keep dd1 on no money if she was out of work and could not claim anything)

So tell me, am I being unfair? Dd1 wants me to stop giving dd2 money for interviews and buying food but dd1 isn't exactly forthcoming on how her sister can live on fresh fucking air Confused

OP posts:
sweepoflippyandswipeofpowder · 01/06/2018 17:17

Hello op. My heart goes out to you. Flowers. This is unfair on all parties involved. In your situation I would:
A. Get respite for dd3. This can range from a few days, to a few weeks, to a few months. This article may help. www.gov.uk/help-for-disabled-child
B. Pack dd1's bags and drag her out of the house by the hair.
C. Try to get carers allowance. www.gov.uk/carers-allowance
D. When b. is done don't throw out dgs, it's not his fault. Look after him. www.gov.uk/looking-after-someone-elses-child
E. dd2's confidence will be shattered. Try to nurture her.
Good luck, stay strong.

Wildlingofthewest · 01/06/2018 17:23

Her attitude absolutely stinks. Frankly even is she was paying the full whack I’d be asking her to leave. She sounds like a spoilt, ungrateful little bitch.
Sorry OP I know she’s your daughter but she’s not a child, she’s a grown woman and she’s behaving terribly.
If I had dared speak to my mother like that I’d have been out the door long ago!
Does she not realise the massive favour your doing her by allowing her to live with You and by providing her with free childcare?!
Stop allowing her to walk all over you!
Give her a date to be out by - I honestly don’t think she gives a shit so trying to talk to her isn’t going to work, she’s just going to keep stamping her feet and hurling abuse at you.....
get rid

HeebieJeebies456 · 01/06/2018 17:26

stop enabling her then - tell her to get out and rent her own place

Mummyoflittledragon · 01/06/2018 17:29

She has at least £500 coming in and is screaming about giving you a fifth of it when you’re looking after her ds when she’s at work and feeding them both. Shock.

She doesn’t want to discuss her finances or act like an adult. I think you need to give her a deadline of when to leave.

TheShapeOfEwe · 01/06/2018 17:33

DD1 is a CF sponge and needs to move out. I would give her a deadline for that and make sure she knows you will stick to it. The tantrums will increase in the short term but you can't go on living with her behaving like this!

bringbacksideburns · 01/06/2018 17:33

I agree. She sounds horrible.

What an ungrateful immature brat. And this is a mother?

If you don't sort this out now she will never leave and you will end up raising her child and paying off all her future debts.
My best friend's brother is doing this. He and his teenage son live rent free and he has zero respect for his mother because he has manipulated her all his life. He's 45.

ApolloandDaphne · 01/06/2018 17:37

If DD1 is bringing in £500 per week that is a substantial amount and she should easily be able to rent somewhere to live for her and her DS (unless you live in central London or somewhere like that). She isn't giving you nearly enough at £100 per week. Sling her out.

blueskypink · 01/06/2018 17:39

No advice op but huge admiration for you coping with all of this day in day out ThanksThanksThanks

Eveforever · 01/06/2018 18:17

Did you remind her that you know that she earns at least £500 per week? She's either majorly taking the piss, or she has something else going on that you don't know about. The two things that spring to mind are a health issue and the possibility that her debt issues are worse than you realise. Either way, if she won't engage with you in a reasonable way, I don't see how you can help.

Do you want to try and make it work with her living with you, or are you looking to get her to move out now?

Shiftymake · 01/06/2018 18:30

And while she's still here she hasn't really spoken to me since, apart from quiet comments like "oh here comes dd2, the favourite" whenever dd2 comes into the room. Stop her, cut her comments down and ensure she understands that this not about favorites, you love all your kids and will not tolerate this. They are staying with you for different reasons, and you need it to be clear that she can not degrade herself or her sister. Tough love and all that, but you need the mum pants hoisted to under the armpits for this one it seems. Your house, your rules and she needs to pay as you can't afford the extra outlay.

expatinscotland · 01/06/2018 18:41

'If DD1 was childless i would threaten eviction.
However, throwing herself on the mercy of the council will see her being offered emergency housing in a hostel or cheap bnb. Not ideal for a 3 year old who's already lost one home.'

Yet the DD1 doesn't give a toss if all of them, including her severely disabled sister, get evicted for rent arrears.

OP, you've tried. She's being a manipulative, freeloading brat.

It's time to tell her she needs to be out by the end of the month.

If she doesn't get out, you'll have to throw her out.

She's 28, not 12.

coffeecoffeemorecoffee · 01/06/2018 18:55

DD1 behaviour is ridiculous. I'm 28 and wouldn't dream of behaving in that way. She's taking the piss.

Eveforever · 01/06/2018 19:06

I think the OP already said that her daughter is still close with her ex, the father of her child, and could probably stay with him if need be. The council would provide some form of housing and, whilst it is true they may end up in a hostel or bnb, they would, as she has a small child, move them somewhere more suitable as soon as possible. She could of course rent another flat, she seems to earning enough to rent in most parts of the country. In other words, DD1 has options, she's not going to end up on the street. I would argue that DD1's easiest option is to pay £100 a week to be housed and fed with her son at OP's house. Lord only knows why she is being so difficult and unpleasant about the generous support her mum is providing for her and her son. If things continue as they are the OP is going to accumulate more rent arrears and the housing of 5 people will be at risk. Something needs to give and DD1 is clearly the problem.

I also agree that DD1 needs pulling up in her attitude towards other people in the household. It sounds like she's making it intolerable to live there in more ways than one.

Angelil · 01/06/2018 20:10

You have given DD1 chance after chance to change her situation and she refuses to take it, in the meantime making it a horrible environment for you all. She has to go.

TopofthePops · 01/06/2018 21:35

After your update...I would have her out as fast as I could. Sorry OP but no-one should have to put up with this shit. Why are you putting up with this? Did you tell her how much she's costing you? Time for some tough love OP.

Jux · 02/06/2018 11:29

She is being thoroughly disrespecctful, and frankly I wo,uld have shouted at her so. Or at least spoken very firmly thatas she lives with me I expect her to show respect.

When she's calm offer to look after dgs while she finds somewhere more suitable to live, but she will have to sofa surf until then, as you won't live with someone who treats the others in the home as she does especially you, who is footing all the bills.

What has your relationship been like with her throughout her life? Has she always been full of resentment against dd2?

Ifonlyfor1day · 02/06/2018 15:45

Gosh OK. She is very immature at 28 saying here comes DD2 the favourite. You have tried your best, tried to hard for her it is time to either kick her out and play her at her own game, ignoring her etc hopefully she will see she is been ridiculous.

In my experience with this kind of personality it's the wow me, sponge, she won't change. It must be torture living with an adult child acting like a teenager.

Earlybird · 02/06/2018 16:14

How long has DD1 been back living with you?
Was she fairly reasonable before DD2 moved back in, or has she been difficult the whole time?
Does the father of your GS contribute anything financially?
Does DD1 plan/hope to live with you indefinitely, or just until she is back on her feet financially?
How does DD1 use the money she doesn't pay you? Is she paying off your debts?

DD1 sounds very immature, selfish and emotionally manipulative.

Earlybird · 02/06/2018 16:16

Sorry - is she paying off her debts

mathanxiety · 03/06/2018 06:24

So she tantrummed you to a standstill in Round 1.
Do not take the result of Round 1 sitting down, OP.

Round 2 needs to get started. Maybe Sunday?
This time you need to present her with a written accounting of what she owes you.
Itemise the weekly bill:
Rent
Food for herself and DGS
Broadband share
Childcare charges - per hour, with an account of the hours
Electricity/gas
Arrears to be settled in full this week by Friday

This will come to more than she is paying but far less then she is earning.

With the exception of the arrears and the childcare charges, all the money has to be directly deposited by standing order into your account.
The arrears and childcare can be paid in cash.

You can tell her that she and the DGS's father can share childcare charges if she wishes but you don't actually care where the money comes from as long as it is paid.
Same goes for DGS's share of food.

Be tough.

If she rips up your piece of paper, take out the second (and third, fourth, fifth, etc) sheets you will have prepared. Make sure you make plenty of copies.

Do not let her scream/sulk/stonewall/intimidate you into silence again.

Tell her if she refuses to pay her share as dictated by you and shown on your accounting she will have to leave by X date.
Tell her you will not budge on the amount.
Tell her if she agrees but backslides and there is a shortfall that she will be out by the following Monday.

She thinks she has beaten you back and believes she has won this fight. Show her who is in charge.

AHedgehogCanNeverBeBuggered · 04/06/2018 17:59

How's it going OP, any progress?

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