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Ethics regarding Instamums and huns

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BurberryIsSo2000 · 24/05/2018 17:14

Homeisthecalm here, I think it's suitable to start a new ethics thread.

Since clearly, the one from yesterday isn't really about ethics but Clemmie.

Thanks all,

Keep it as nice or as stingy as you like Grin

I'll start off by saying things should be clearly marked 'ad' or 'gifted'

Although the term gifted gives me the rage

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RunMummyRun68 · 29/05/2018 22:21

Who is blaming mumsnet?

Readingchair · 29/05/2018 22:26

The usual unmanaged comments below the post.

Atalune · 29/05/2018 22:37

What’s the comments? Go in spill.

PeteHornberger · 29/05/2018 22:39

Oh he has stepped in to moderate, but the person he's asked to "leave it there, please" is the person who's saying that the drama was nothing to do with Mumsnet and that it all happened on insta. So he's basically pulling up the person who's trying to keep the story straight.

They're not stupid, quite happy to let MN take all the blame.

Readingchair · 29/05/2018 22:41

Why not use the post to acknowledge what actually happened. They never learn. #positivity.

Boredandtired · 29/05/2018 23:08

Very profitable tactic. By doing this (and with no metaphors-I mean is it even him?) he gets the heartstrings pulled, he gets the thousands of adoring (weird) 'we love you both' posts and then she can come back with an adoring Bang and all the money will keep flowing in.
Very clever and tactical. Good luck to them, let's just hope they are being managed this time so there's no more nonsense.
But yes the mumsnet comments are annoying, especially when you consider the comments that were everywhere on Instagram.

Readingchair · 29/05/2018 23:17

Somebody certainly proof read the post, at least. Good luck to their management team.

Keepitw0nky · 29/05/2018 23:51

My eyes rolled so far. MN is an easy scapegoat, should have expected it.

Readingchair · 30/05/2018 06:33

Ha, also the false narrative that she was criticised and not him! Wimmin not supporting wimmin. And he's endorsing those comments.

Ethics regarding Instamums and huns
Sofialemon · 30/05/2018 09:25

I think it's a lovely post. Imo the vitriol towards Clemmie on here was uncalled for. There are over 2000 comments on FoDs post, the vast majority positive. The Mumsnet haters are clearly in a minority.

Readingchair · 30/05/2018 09:43

Anybody with an opposing opinion is blocked or silenced (see Pete's comment above) on IG. On here with free speech, it seems like you - SL - and CadyHeron are the lone voices.

Readingchair · 30/05/2018 10:13

But I did enjoy MP saying she could rock a nose ring 'past 30' and as having 'so much aspiration' Grin. High praise indeed.

Boredandtired · 30/05/2018 10:16

@sofialemon Grin your posts never fail to make me smile.

nipersvest · 30/05/2018 11:10

the response to his post has been massive, over 80k likes, 2.5k comments, paving the way for Clemmie's triumphant return to insta. Very clever, but also very dishonest. I posted a while ago on these threads to say I bet they will happily try and throw mn under a bus as a scapegoat, and I still think that's what they will do. Total whitewash of any of the mistakes mod may have made via dm.

nipersvest · 30/05/2018 11:12

Sofia, you need to be way more cynical to be on mn Wink

Sofialemon · 30/05/2018 11:28

@nipersvest

I am actually a very cynical, but also very laid back person. I just can't get worked up about the use (or non use) of #AD, spon, gift or whatever. I also have no issue with parents posting pics of their kids on insta, as part of an ad or not.

Even if any of the above did bother me I still wouldn't choose to target a small minority of "Instamums" for doing it and post endless threads about it. There are so many other bloggers, Instamums, Youtubers etc who also feature their kids and aren't great with disclosure yet the same few are targetted on here, it's bizarre.

Re the DM's I don't see why anyone should be expected to take shit of strangers and not be able to respond.

nipersvest · 30/05/2018 11:34

agree about the dm's, but the issue thats being skirted around here, is mod was the one dishing out the 'shit' via dm's. She wasn't the victim.

Boredandtired · 30/05/2018 11:48

@sofialemon but that's just exactly the point. These accounts that you struggle so much with being discussed are the ones which were 'normal' people that normal users follow. Many of the accounts you've bought up previously, don't seem to be the ones being followed by those discussing Instagram on mumsnet. And let's face it, you aren't going to discuss accounts you don't or haven't followed. These threads have been centred around 'instamums' and the interpretation of that has been the core group discussed, of which some are more dominant. One of those has to be honest, as a parent and adovocate for 'women supporting women' (such a vile term) utterly disgraced herself. The comeback is planned and will be successful and on the whole no followers will remember her behaviour, just that the poor little defenceless thing (with a mouth and a typing hand far worse than most on mumsnet...) was picked on.
I think it's good for discussion that you oppose every topic bought up, but there is no substance or back up to your comments. They are just like the 'we love you' 'your amazing' 'haters gonna hate' on Instagram. You aren't bothered by use of children, and scorn those who are, but you have no back up to that point of view. Whereas even the big accounts discussed all acknowledge there are lines that get crossed and they don't really know the future impact.

CowParsley2 · 30/05/2018 11:51

What exactly did MOD do that was so horrendous?

Also are posters saying there shouldn't be any pics anywhere of children on social media?

Boredandtired · 30/05/2018 12:00

@cowparsley2 it was all a bit bitchy school girl, I've now unfollowed (although admit I did look at FOD's post yesterday as it was promoted) on the last thread there was lots of screenshots. It's not that it's so 'horrendous' it's more doing exactly what you are accusing others of doing and then blaming mumsnet. All just really silly.
I'm personally not saying there should be no photos of kids anywhere on social media, just how everything changes so fast and we need to be really careful about what we do share and our children's footprints on the internet. It's an interesting topic.
But I am not keen on the accounts that monetise their children.

Sofialemon · 30/05/2018 12:02

@Boredandtired there are many other insta accounts that "normal" mums follow, but just the same few get discussed on here. Primarily just the same two, that for whatever reason many of you on here just don't like and enjoy taking the piss out of. That's what I don't get, why keep looking at insta accounts of people you don't like?

As for children being featured on their patents SM, I don't think there is any evidence yet that it has a negative effect on their MH. Their is lots of evidence that SM in general can have a negative effect on both adults and children's MH, however that is children having their own accounts and having to deal with bullying, unrealistic body image and so on.

I saw the DM's and didn't think the reply's from Mod were disgusting or uncalled for. Also Laura only showed part of whatever the conversation was, so no context to it.

nipersvest · 30/05/2018 12:04

cowparsley, mod had been quite vocal (rightly so, as she does get mentioned on these threads a lot, and yes, some threads had become too personal rather than covering theoretical ethics) about accusations of insta bullying, but she then posted something aimed at Kim Kardashian's appetite suppressing lolly ad. Her sentiment was in the right place but it was badly worded and contained hashtags which could also be deemed as insta bullying. Commentors called her out on it, and it moved off insta to a bit of a spat via dm's. The person she dm'd posted some of these messages on insta as evidence. It then went a step further and continued on another post of mod's, and within those comments, someone claimed mod had been reported to the NMC for breaking their rules on social media, pretty soon after that, mod's account went offline.

nipersvest · 30/05/2018 12:05

Sofia, there were other dm's, it wasn't just to Laura.

Boredandtired · 30/05/2018 12:06

@sofialemon As for children being featured on their patents SM, I don't think there is any evidence yet that it has a negative effect on their MH. Their is lots of evidence that SM in general can have a negative effect on both adults and children's MH, however that is children having their own accounts and having to deal with bullying, unrealistic body image and so on.

Hmm it feels almost pointless responding. So like I don't now follow the inflated ego accounts I'm no longer going to respond to your comments, other than I disagree.

MarshaBradyo · 30/05/2018 12:08

I’m not commenting on those accounts

But it’s good more people are questioning SM, and applying some thought to profit / privacy / content

These threads may have played a part or not but it’s clear others want to talk about it

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