To think its Theresa and the Tories forever now.....(weeps!)

[SuitedandBooted]

Given that Labour can't even decide what a woman is, or follow their own bloody policies. Perhaps Maria Miller MP should change to their side..., why should anyone give a thought to 52% of the population after all?

For those who missed it, David Lewis did this to make a point;

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/meet-the-man-standing-to-be-a-labour-party-womens-officer/

Personally I'm of the opinion that a woman is an adult person of the female sex, but then I'm not a "woke" Brocialist tosser.

Things have now moved on to this, as Labour was VERY cross with him, as he clearly wasn't being Trans enough . After all, they already have a male-born woman's officer (no surgical changes/hormones etc) who has come out as a lesbian - that's sincerity for you!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3256772-Guess-how-I-got-suspended-from-the-Labour-Party

Dear Jezza, I wouldn't trust you and your pals to run the school fete.

Meh, the "25% of women are raped at college" played the same trick for much the same reasons. And you think to yourself - were the rape stats not bad enough before? Why did you feel the need to inflate them? That one is still quoted, despite the paper being retracted by it's author.

*"not to want someone with a penis around in female spaces."

sums up the stupid argument for me. Some people cannot get beyond their hatred of the 'bepenised'.

A "female space" is nonsense. It means nothing.*

Do I assume, therefore, that you would argue for no separate spaces for men and women at all? That there should be no separate changing rooms at gyms, pools, in schools, etc?

A "female space" is nonsense. It means nothing

It’s not a hard concept to grasp. The ladies sauna for example. A domestic violence shelter. A space where women are and men aren’t.

And we’d love to refer to people with penises as just men. But there’s been a little problem with that you see; we did start off saying men but then all sorts of people with penises started shouting at us that they were in fact women. And so we couldn’t use that really convenient little word ‘man’ any more.

So now we have to refer to bepenised individuals. Wouldn’t it be lovely to just say ‘men.?’ That might require a modicum of sanity in the debate though, so let’s not hold our breath

Am I the only one who senses a real notion of 'women have been making a fuss for years and we want to punish them' about much of this?

hoistTheSales

To clarify - you don't see any need at all - not in schools, gyms, pools, anywhere - for separate changing rooms, showers, etc?

And do you think the many women who DO are being unreasonable about it?

I quite like you hoistTheSales.

I think you are showing the lurkers exactly what they need to see.

Cheers 👍

I think the majority of women don't want males in female spaces personally. And most people don't think of a man in a dress as being female.

I am so terribly sorry.

The ladies’ sauna.

Nice namechange by the way.

Sorry pressed enter too soon.

I think everyone knows you can't change from male to female. It's not something I think should be promoted. It should be an extreme form of treatment for a medical condition.

I don't like to think of it being marketed to children as some kind of new fabulous way of life. Because I don't think the reality is that.

You know the debate is getting too much for them when they start pulling you up on grammar and punctuation instead of actually engaging on the points being made.

If you don't care why waste your time here? You have every right not to care, go and do something you care about instead! Life's too short!

hoist

Of course you don’t see the need for female only places and spaces as presumably you are a bloke dearie.

See the thing is you can identify as a woman in your own little head. You can put on a dress and lippy and that makes you what precisely?

A man in a dress wearing lippy.

I have no issue with you doing that. You wear what you like a burka or a mini skirt, it matters not, just keep your self out of women’s spaces. Campaign for your own spaces. I would support you but don’t invade and steal ours.

It's usually been men who tell me I'm being paranoid to worry about such things and usually men who, unlike me, haven't been sexually assaulted by a man.

I think giving treatment to under 16s will be a massive time bomb as lawyers get involved in a few years when these kids decide they want to change their mind or were coerced.

It’s fucking child abuse

You know the debate is getting too much for them when they start pulling you up on grammar and punctuation instead of actually engaging on the points being made.

Usually a bit of a grammar git myself but tapping on a tiny phone keyboard in an airport in bright sunshine while juggling a laptopbag, various bits and bobs and having fat pregnant hands is knocking me off my game ...

I think we need common sense, not hysteria.

And the common sense is...? That women should just suck it up and let any man who wants to in their changing, etc spaces? Accept that a man will perform intimate healthcare activities whether they find this acceptable or not? That men will have easy access to their children in places where they can abuse them and they shouldn't object?

"And do you think the many women who DO are being unreasonable about it?"

Yes, because I'm yet to meet anyone in the sensible middle ground. Too many extremists.

Tell me, please - what's "the middle ground" in this as far as women and girls/boys are concerned?

Good god don’t mention pregnancy that’s probably triggering or periods!!

I realise you may get triggered if you think more than one person thinks you're idiotic.

What does that mean? I genuinely have no idea... triggered? Typo?

You can think whatever you like of me. I’m like a Teflon-coated grebe swimming in a Bose-Einstein condensate after a few years on Mumsnet. It’s marvellously invigorating to not care much when men shout at me. Feminism is so liberating.

Carry on, you silver-tongued charmer, you...

I am the kind of traditional woman that makes feminists weep. Good career but SAHM.

Would you be happy to send your girl child alone into a men's changing room?

Hoist

The funny thing is you are the anti liberal trying to snatch other people’s long fought for freedoms and safety. But you can’t accept that.

let the adults talk god help us love.

i am the kind of woman that makes feminists weep

What because you like me are a sahm?? No that’s not what’s making feminists weep!