To think its Theresa and the Tories forever now.....(weeps!)

[SuitedandBooted]

Given that Labour can't even decide what a woman is, or follow their own bloody policies. Perhaps Maria Miller MP should change to their side..., why should anyone give a thought to 52% of the population after all?

For those who missed it, David Lewis did this to make a point;

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/meet-the-man-standing-to-be-a-labour-party-womens-officer/

Personally I'm of the opinion that a woman is an adult person of the female sex, but then I'm not a "woke" Brocialist tosser.

Things have now moved on to this, as Labour was VERY cross with him, as he clearly wasn't being Trans enough . After all, they already have a male-born woman's officer (no surgical changes/hormones etc) who has come out as a lesbian - that's sincerity for you!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3256772-Guess-how-I-got-suspended-from-the-Labour-Party

Dear Jezza, I wouldn't trust you and your pals to run the school fete.

I imagine the reference to rape is the two child child benefit cap.
I couldn't ever vote for a party that brought that policy in.
And I do think that self ID isn't the only issue to consider while voting.

I imagine the reference to rape is the two child child benefit cap.

But if you can't define women, is that really a women's issue?

straight into a trans thread, there are many reasons not to vote labour at the moment.

If someone is raped, gives birth and has to provide proof of rape to get child benefit that's an issue that concerns me. I don't care whether it's defined as a woman's issue.

It affects everything.

One of the most alarming things for me personally is that the safeguarding that was put into place for a very good reason is being torn down before our eyes.

Like Girl Guiding. Since the terms men and women mean nothing now in some organisations you have to put it a different way.

Previously, say on a girl guiding trip, a person with a penis would not be allowed to provide one on one personal care to a young girl. There are vulnerable girls who are in the guides and may require assistance changing/washing etc.

Now (yes right now, this minute, I have exchanged a few emails back and forth with GG to establish that this is true) a ‘person with a penis’ can do that one on one care, and will be able to be alone with those vulnerable little girls. All they have to do is to ‘self identify’ as a woman. And girl guides will let them.

Want to know the best bit?

They will not inform parents of this. In no circumstances will they tell them whether this will be happening or not.

Doesn’t matter if that girl needs regular changing, is vulnerable, is traumatised from past sexual abuse or is would not be comfortable in that situation with a man for religious reasons. They will never tell the parents.

The onus is on the young girl to have the confidence, verbal means and ability to object to this.

And this isn’t hidden knowledge. There are now predators out there becoming aware that this window is opening to them.

Now, even if you take away the bathroom situation, the fact ‘woman’ can’t be defined as a biological class anymore, the skewal of crime stats, prisons, refuges etc...

That should send a shiver down any persons spine. Safeguards are being removed that are meant to keep children safe. Boundaries are being blurred (that nine year old drag queen on twitter posing in fetishwear being applauded for being ‘right on’)

So yes. I have voted Labour all of my life. I have vulnerable family who have suffered under austerity. But not nearly so much as all women, children and even actual transsexual people will suffer if this erosion of rights, free speech and safeguarding is allowed to pass.

I’ll vote Conservative to keep Jeremy Corbin and his vile army of woman hating brocialists out of no 10.

Truscum

Wow. A transactivist poster was trying to downplay the GG stuff on another thread yesterday. Think it was the "is this really a feminist board" goady sea lioning thread.

If someone is raped, gives birth and has to provide proof of rape to get child benefit that's an issue that concerns me. I don't care whether it's defined as a woman's issue.

But if it’s just affecting people randomly, and you can’t identify the particular group of people who are impacted, how can you help them and point out structural inequalities?

You have identified that there may be specific consequences to having a being raped if you have a womb, but without the ability to differentiate between people who have wombs and the rest of the population, how do you link that to other structural inequalities that face women?

You have identified that there may be specific consequences to having a being raped if you have a womb

Another Labour voter all my adult life and from Labour working class family. But if the Conservatives back down on and oppose self ID and Labour is still this fucking cess pit it's become under Corbyn and his cronies and Momentum and Madigan and all the other crap, then I'll vote Tory in next GE.

I can't put into words how much I despise them for what that lot have done to the Labour Party.

I can't put into words how much I despise them for what that lot have done to the Labour Party.

This. They've made it into a nightmare caricature of a 1970s students' union.

Well appently this could never happen according to the trans activists

The only people who would ever occupy women’s spaces were those who were actually women

I wonder if they see our issue now

Well said, Truscum. Safeguards were put in for a reason. Do those reasons no longer exist? If they still do, why are the safe guards being removed? Who benefits?

I came across the Chesterton's Fence principle yesterday. I honestly can't see how any thinking individual can argue against it;

"Chesterton's fence is the principle that reforms should not be made until the reasoning behind the existing state of affairs is understood".

I have never voted Tory but will if they oppose this self ID rubbish. I owe it to every female that comes after me to protect their hard won rights.

I think a lot of younger voters are not aware that Corbin and some of his mates supported the IRA murder terrorist in the 70s and 80s.
The IRA murdered and maimed thousands of innocent men, women and children in the uk.
Corbin also thinks the system of government in Venezuela is a good model for us, that country is now ruined.
Look how he told students he would fix student loans, soon backtracked from that promise.
This is why he wants 16 Year olds to have a vote, they have no idea about of what he really is, a very dangerous man who would ruin this country.

FFS Vicky
That little rant of yours has nothing to do with what the thread is about.

I am going to answer the thread title. Yes I think that the Tories will be there for a long time. The media have a big problem with Corbyn. I literally have no idea how he could be any worse but peop0le just keep voting the conservatives. The Tories have slashed money for everything - health, schools, care, social services, police, prisons. Even the inland revenue, making a joke that it is being about saving the country money. They have cruelly targeted the poor and disabled. All for ideology. Nevermind Brexit, which is going to cost billions and restrict the opportunities of the young at the very least.

None of the decisions seem to be made with the long-term good of the country. Just self interest, false economies and short-termism to reward themselves and their key voters.

Btw self ID was a Tory idea. But in the grand scheme of things, there are more important concerns.

😮

That 😮 was for vicky’s Daily Mail outburst.

Btw self ID was a Tory idea. But in the grand scheme of things, there are more important concerns.
and populist Corbyn is running with this big style no hairy David running for women’s officer at Tory towers

And that should show you how shit your Islington friend is Tory’s are rubbish and he still can’t win

But still they chat ooooh Jeremy Corbyn to the beat of the killers

If they have a male born womans officer who has come out as a lesbian, why hasn't anyone just said he's a straight male

Women who did exactly that have been questioned / booted out of the party.

The woman's officer, Lily Madigan and their friends in Labour started a secret Facebook group and kept a list of women who's opinions they didn't like. Then set about getting them chucked out of the party.

No one in Labour has publicly condemned this. Labour have called women in to interview them and then suspended their membership.

e.g. Jennifer James: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-suspends-activist-in-transgender-row-cdjvhpldb

Venice Allan: her statement on why she resigned, including a transcript of her interview with Labour that led to her suspension: www.facebook.com/DRradfem/posts/2108975092654757

But if it’s just affecting people randomly, and you can’t identify the particular group of people who are impacted, how can you help them and point out structural inequalities?

Some people did something bad to some other people.

Some people did something bad to some other people.

Exactly, Ereshkigal. Remember the Tara Wolf assault case, where the judge ordered that Wolf should be called "she/her" in court. So then we effectively have "woman assaults woman".

Smoke and mirrors all around......