AIBU to think it's still a while before we accept a fully black person marrying into royals?

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Im not convinced it's quite as progressive as everyone's suggesting... I don't think a wedding has to be a political statement either but I do wonder if she wasn't mixed race if she'd be accepted by them as things stand in 2018?

Tbf I think the divorce, potentially a number of indiscreet ex's and her family are far more reason for her to get off the Queen.

Portals Bea can do ger civic duty by coming out as a lesbian then marrying a black, Muslim transexual.

Don’t think it’s about being accepted, it’s simply who the royals choose to fall in love with. Harry fell in love with a mixed race girl and that’s wonderful, good for them. It’s hardly progressive, eventually the human race will be mixed race.

Op are you really trying to claim someone isn’t black enough. I mean seriously. Being mixed race brings a completely new set of issues especially one of belonging. and your slagging her off for not being black enough for your liking. I don’t think society would give a stuff if someone in the royal family married a person of colour- that was proved this weekend. Fuck off with your vile threads.

Jeesus wept.

Will these inane threads never stop?

Harry chose her because of what HE loves about her end of.

I didnt notice Prince Charles wincing as he accpmpanied her down the aisle nor when he walked with her mum.

I doubt it was a royal commandmemt to Harry to "find a wife but one that wasnt 'too black' ffs.

There havent been many royal weddings lately so to say there have not been enough black people marrying into it is ridiculous.

And speak for yourself do not use 'we' when you are calling everyone too racist to accept anyone whiter than white into the rf.

Nobody gives a stuff as long as they are happy together.

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I don’t think the OP is ‘slagging her off for not being black enough’, she is suggesting that had Meghan been black rather than mixed race, she may not have been accepted into the royal family or by the public so readily. I think that is a valid point and agree entirely, mixed race people are treated and perceived differently than black people, and highly fetishised in our society. Celebrating increasing diversity in our society is no bad thing, but I can see why black people find this problematic as they do not have the same experience as mixed race people - and with Meghan and Obama (hailed as the first black president despite being mixed race) their blackness is emphasised and obsessed over despite it being only half of their ethnicity. It must be galling as a black person to see mixed race people called ‘black’, because they simply won’t have had the same negative experiences, and are treated differently as a result. The ‘one drop theory’ is still alive and well, and coupled with colourism it makes for a difficult situation.

No one is saying anyone has a responsibility to marry someone in the name of diversity, just that it is nice to see those barriers breaking down, and with such a high profile couple it will have an impact. As someone in an interracial relationship I did feel that Harry and Meghan marrying was a significant step in the right direction, it shouldn’t matter what race the person you marry is, but most people marry within their own ethnic background. People forget that people in interracial relationships will still get racist comments, and some people think it’s ‘wrong’ for no reason they could say out loud.

There is only one other mixed race ‘royal’ I can think of, the Viscountess Emma Tyhnn, married to the heir to longleat and again described as black despite being mixed race.

silk
The ‘one drop theory’ is still alive and well, and coupled with colourism it makes for a difficult situation
the one drop theory is American in origin and dates back to the days of slavery and the need to identity those considered to be discriminated against.
It is ridiculous in the UK and I don't think it is how mixed race (of whatever proportion) people define themselves.
My son is mixed race and I am white - I asked him this question and because he has been brought up in a European country and in a largely indigenous environment (nearly 90% of the UK population is white) he had no hesitation in saying he is white and black if he has to answer the question on a form but overall he is English/British. The colour of his skin is only relevant to those who make an issue of it.

I think the op has a point.
MM doesn’t actually look black, she could quite easily be Spanish or Portuguese.
It’s a great step in the right direction, but I very much doubt those steps will go any further.

God I hate this!
Fully black ? Really?
So Meghan is not proper black. Does this type of opinion/ attitude really exist?

@InspMorse but she's not full black though she's mixed race and to describe her as black would be denying the white side of her, the one drop rule doesn't exist anymore. im (full) black as in I have two black parents but I have many mixed race cousins and my DP is mixed race but more visibly white due to his blue eyes and brown hair (genetics are super weird!) but I would never describe them as black they are mixed race they are neither black nor white just both, to class them as 'black' serves as a disservice to them but also (full) black people like myself.

I think @silkpyjamasallday is spot on

Happy
I guess I'm not into people wearing their race/culture/colour (or come to think of it - their class/ religion/ sexuality etc etc...) as a badge of honour.
People are people - equal in every way. Or at least they should be.
More this, more that, you're not as much this and that as me...

But I do get what you're saying too Happy.

"but she's not full black though she's mixed race and to describe her as black would be denying the white side of her, "

Jeez, who knew competitive blackness was a thing

She's a person.

Would you rather he married a “fully black” person he didn’t love just to make a political point?

@user1473878824 it doesn't sound like the OP is saying that. They're making the point it's being used to suggest we've come a long way yet MM isn't quite the picture needed to prove that point and it's not happened yet.

WHEN we have a POC in a position of power who doesn't have to adapt their appearance from a natural haired dark skin black person - that's when it's really been achieved. I quite like MM myself but I don't feel she's poster girl to prove POC have equal chances just yet

I don't think OP is suggesting Harry needs to make that point or was trying to. He just fell in love, and that's lovely. The media has somewhat hijacked it trying to make a point that isn't really proven by MM and Harry

the op is racist she looks at a couple people on their race. when in actuall fact most people dont care what race mm is. ps i think she could be classed as black obama was/is and he had a white mum

@parkruuuner to me it didn't read as OP caring what colour MM is

But upthread a poster did comment that MM has stated herself - she sees herself as biracial. Not black, not white - biracial. If that's true - MM herself isn't asking to "pass as black"

And biracial people don't face quite the same level of racism therefore MM isn't poster child for racism being eradicated from the collective psyche yet

@failingat40 there's no such thing as competiness blackness you fool it's just stating facts maybe you are failing at 40 if you can't grasp that simple fact.

*competitiveness

silkpyjamas I would have been oblivious to these arguments and opinions before moving to America fifteen years ago.

If you’ve heard of the rapper Logic (biracial but passes for white) you will know that some in the US black community resent his take on being raised poor and black, when they feel he has had advantages in society for appearing less “black”.

Historically this has been an issue in the US dating all the way back to slavery. Would it have been an issue for Harry? I don’t know—I think the UK, while imperfect, is leaps and bounds ahead on the issue of race discrimination over the US, especially when it comes to African-Americans.

I see where you are coming from OP. She's mixed race but has taken steps to make herself look less black. Maybe she felt she needed to do this to get on, but I don't believe she would have been marrying Harry if she had stronger black features. As others have said, she's more European looking. It's still sadly true in our society that very strong ethnic features of any type mean a person is more likely to be seen as "other".

Crikey OP. This post possibly says more about your deeply seated prejudice or possibly sensitivity (if you are mixed race/black) and less about what the RF thinks/does/endorses.

Scales of prejudice/racism do, of course exist but I really doubt there was a test regarding aesthetic in this particular case.

OP really? Are you in love with Harry and it should have been you?
Clearly Harry and his family don't give a toss that Meghan is mixed race. He loves her. But Meghan is too white for you OP?
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If she had young children from her previous marriage, would she had been as accepted?