Influencer ethics on Instagram 2

[MadameGrizzly]

It appears we haven't quite finished workshopping the ethical issues of 'influencing' on Instagram: disclose of advertising, the exploitation of minors and the similarities to MLM schemes.

Cady go for it, it’s better if you don’t try and paint everyone as frothing etc - I see none of that it’s been fairly level and reasonable

But post away if you want to

Oh look one arsehole comment and now a totally legit reason to derail the thread - what a coincidence

Over the thread's I've been on I've done plenty of discussing points reasonably with others who think the same. No frothing, just interested in the debate. You don't half get people moaning if you do though. It swings between an echo chamber of actual discussion or personal pull aparts of marriages/dismissing mental health/other personal stuff nothing to do with ads or ethical debates...

Flyingbird prove my bloody point, why don't you. As I said, one viewpoint only.

There’s been plenty Cady

Post something of interest and not insulting and people will respond in kind

Right Eeby, let's continue to ignore the arsehole comments then. Let them all stand, nobody point out, show everybody's completely reasonable (even thought there's personal crap all over the place.)
Will stick to discussion. From a different viewpoint. As it is allowed.

MashaBrady- yes, there's been sensible discussion, it's interesting to read. You can only post coming from one viewpoint though

Not at all go for it
Ignoring the comment below that has been reported and will soon be gone

There was 1 comment in the middle of the night that was over the line - no one has engaged with it and several of us have reported it.

Stop making a mountain out of a mole hill “Cady”

The main topics here are the privacy issues surrounding kids on IG and the misleading use of faux MH experts in a money making scheme.

Relevant, useful and interesting topics to debate and discuss.

Stop trying to de-rail it.....

Right, point taken, discussion only from now on.

I was offering @CadyHeron the benefit of the doubt @FlyingBird - I find it as frustrating as anyone else when someone appears and derails what has generally been a really insightful and constructive discussion.

Looking forward to seeing no more nitpicking and instead some constructive points from a different perspective, @CadyHeron

Useless. I was meant to have tagged @CadyHeron and @FlyingBird in that last post

Cady I hope you have read all of the thread. People were sharing their personal upset about mental health being trivialised, last night. I found it quite upsetting. Please don't just attack people on this thread.

I apologise. I did suggest that I found some of the mental health references seemed to trivialise a serious topic. And I realise it could read that people were faking it, which I didn't mean and wasn't trying to be controversial. It's just hard to see people seemingly jumping on the bandwagon to make money out of mental health problems.
@marshabradyo maybe I need to wade through who I follow as I seem to have been drawn to accounts which focus on mental health so assumed it was across the board!

I would also add that whilst I agreed with @cadyheron regarding suggesting fakeness and how posts could be interpreted, if the topic is use of children and privacy, misleading ads and mental health warriors, I'm not sure there is likely to be much support from an alternative viewpoint?
Who on earth would argue against children's right to privacy, non disclosure of ads and collaborations and using mental health to make money? Whilst having discussion it's unlikely to disagree in the main.

I love checking in in the morning to a classic Cady derail. It only takes one dickhead comment for the whole thread to be condemned, never mind the serious and sensitive discussion that's been taking place over the last 24 hours.

Boredandtired - Agree although there seems to be different thinking - esp for privacy.

I think on the privacy issue some will say that it is a right to say not be identified from a blazer or in the bath / potty etc. While others might think that using children as content, especially for money, isn’t good. And that they can’t fully consent even if they say yes

Boredandtired

It should be a no brainer, right?

One poster likes to argue 'Their kidz, their choice!' The same poster has argued 'I don't care about ads. Unfollow if you don't like it!'

The mental health stuff has only just been touched on so no doubt there will be an erudite argument to attempt to shut that discussion down, too.

Marsha - I think the privacy discussion is an interesting one. I personally think families IG'ing/putting their children on social media is a personal choice only they can make. Nothing wrong with it.
However, I'm in agreement that some feeds I do feel a bit uncomfortable myself at the level of identification given.
I've got one in mind off the top of my head where I know kids names (assuming they're not psuedonyms), general location etc and full face pictures. I personally wouldn't be comfortable with that level of detail out there. I think people do need to be more careful of privacy to that extent.
As you say, no identifying of schools etc as well, and on the potty and identifiable is definitely questionable behaviour too.

They generally all put their names up don’t they? Eg this is x she is 3 today etc

@madamegrizzly @marshabradyo
On a thread discussing these issues it's seems a little silly to get upset when a different viewpoint is less popular and argued against. There are clearly more people posting who disagree with children being used on monetised accounts to certain degrees (where it appears even the mother of the children agrees-certain accounts seem to undermine their partner's wishes) and yes of course you could say you don't mind ads or you think that someone's responsibility for their mental health issues is their own and it's their risk if they get sucked into an £86 load of nonsense with some self professed gurus, but these opinions are likely to be in the minority and that not disallowing discussion or shutting down opposing opinion that's just debate and in these cases there's far more people who agree with each other?

I'm not upset about anyone disagreeing with my point of view - explain your position and I will consider it.

But there's no reasoned discussion with these posters. What there is though, is hanging onto a single point and repeatedly posting it until the thread fills up. That's fairly tedious.

I can think of quite a few of the popular IG/You Tube accounts where they have their kids as the main USP - and where the kids are on film/in photos - along with full names/ easy access to their full postal address/ day to day routine/ etc

As I’ve said, most parents wouldn’t dream of putting physical photos of their kids along with all of this info out for public consumption yet they dish it out online with seemingly no regard for the privacy of the children.

It’s impossible now for these people to retract this information.

There are many accounts I follow where, thinking about it, I don't know the children's names or if they go to private school/state school/no school. The children feature to a degree and I'm sure if you really searched you could find more detail but that's off my radar.
Then there are the accounts with the full names including middle names, schools, comforters, bedrooms, daily lives/weeks, garden layouts, pets, local haunts...often these are the ones that make the most fuss about getting unwanted attention, but there appears to be no restraint in what they will share?
The account who came on here recently does not like her marriage discussed yet in the last few weeks as a follower and on here, she's said she disagrees with an intrusive post of her children, having said she's keeping her older kids out of her feed, he within hours posted a patronising post of them, she's storied her upset that he let them play outside in their new nighties, and that he posted them eating a chocolates cereal.
There are some things you could keep private and avoid others having an opinion on. For all he shares of his children he is never disrespectful of his wife and is actually always very glowing. Now if I as a follower pick up on that then others will and discuss.
MP and PP seem to have struck a good balance in what they share.