To think funding new grammar and faith schools is a bad idea.

[ConstantlyCold]

Just that really. This will benefit pushy middle classes (like me) but not the kids that really need investing in.

Stupid idea.

I bet the teachers get some lovely presents at the end of term time..
' come and have a spa day in the holidays with me and the girls'
i bet it all goes on!! being a pushy parent must be a job in itself. unless your paying for it all, that must take the pressure off a bit.

ScrubTheDecks Fab you don’t want your child to go to one

Why should my child be denied the right we live on a council estate so have enough social mix to last us a life time are a mixed raced family so we provide our own diversity

I think if you lived round here you come round to grammer school pretty sharpish

rainingcatsanddog

You can be as pushy as you like if your hasn’t achieved then they haven’t achieved you can’t bully the head into a good sats result and no amount of badgering will get your child on the gifted and talented register

Clearly a certain amount of the population want both; more grammar and more faith schools.
Personally schools need to deal with behavioural problems better and children with high needs shouldn’t be in mainstream classrooms.

you can’t bully the head into a good sats result and no amount of badgering will get your child on the gifted and talented register

Bless you.

"I like the idea that only those chosen by their primary school teacher are allowed to enter the 11+."

That's exactly what happens at our local faith school. So children are selected anyway on basis of church attendance and then the head chooses which children take the test. As a result, a very high percentage of the children at that school pass the 11+. The school actively discourages pupils who are not likely to pass and proudly boasts of a lower percentage of children with SEN than other schools in the area. Because of that reputation, only parents with pretty bright kids, who attend church regularly and are middle class, go to the school. There are only 9 children in receipt of FSM (out of over 200) and none who are in care. It's self-perpetuating.

"And the kids round here all were designers
It’s actually the kids who were hand me downs and parents driving battered volvos who have the money round here"
Nothing to do with designers or money. My selection by coat and lunchbox has a more sophisticated algorithm than that.

Bertrand you sound really prejudiced.
I really don't understand what you shoes ♯ got to do with anything.

Are you bright? Are you really good at maths? English? Can you understand concepts quickly?
Because I am rubbish at maths. I would never have passed 11+.
When one appreciates one s own sludgy skills in certain areas and then to see another's brain slice through maths problems with ease, it not hard to understand that the brain in this issue is all.

As long as such child have learned the skills for the maths problem, as long as they have read with genuine interest, have a wide vocab no amount of types of shoe... Our home schooling will make the difference in the test.

Exam technique and practise...

But I feel you don't want any solutions because you simply don't want grammars which is fine.
Why not own it rather than going on about shoes

How about birthday, Rosa? Do you think that might have any influence? Is it a coincidence, do you think, that my friend's oldest son (born August 30th), just missed out on a place at the grammar, whereas her middle son (born September 5th), just gained one?

I don't want grammar schools. I would have thought that was pretty clear! And I'm going on about shores because it shows how completely rubbish the selection process is. Children are rules out of the race before they even start school.

metoodear

What shoes or lunch bag do you have

So school isn't supposed to be a place where children can be encouraged to aspirational. It's not a place where they can learn.

Right.

"So school isn't supposed to be a place where children can be encouraged to aspirational. It's not a place where they can learn."

I have no idea what you are talking about.

We have just started to look at 11+ papers as we have just entered dd.. I don't think they are hard papers at all!! After reading the fuss over them for years.. They are really not hard.

Bertrand I don't know if you have even seen one but they are not that hard. With no tutoring dd had a mock one and got something like 87%. That's with nothing.

Do let us know which shoes and lunch box predict future exam success. Do the same shoes predict success in Sats and GCSEs too?

Wellington you said you the wrong kind of shoes will hobble a child before you they start school.

So from that I'm drawing that you have no faith in schools to help dc from backgrounds which may not be conducive to learning...

"Do let us know which shoes and lunch box predict future exam success. Do the same shoes predict success in Sats and GCSEs too"

1. I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.
2. It's not so accurate- but broadly, yes.

Yes when compared to the new Sats they're not hard. I don't think some people realise how hard ks2 kids are pushed in primary schools these days.

So which shoes and lunch box?

When I was in yr 6 our rather stern, old school, teacher insisted that if you needed tutoring to get into grammar school then you shouldn't be going to grammar school. Now it seems tutoring is the norm.
FWIW I don't think grammar schools are necessary. I achieved top grades and got into a top university from my mixed ability school. For maths and science we were put in sets and everything else was mixed ability up to GCSE level. All schools should be able to provide an excellent education. It seems ridiculous to be providing more funding to the schools which are already providing it.

Whilst I am not a huge fan of grammar schools and I don't think extra money should be ploughed into them, I do get fed up with all the comments about "pushy parents" etc. Perhaps it depends on the are but my children go a grammar and the great majority of parents are not "pushy". Most children will have had about an hour of week of tutoring if that. Many haven't even had that.
I love to know more about the shoes and lunchboxes those that get into grammar have when in reception....

I don't agree with expanding the existing grammars in the counties which already have them. It makes no sense when many areas have no schools of this type. If they are going to allow more grammars then why not put them in places which need them, rather than those which already have them? Either have them everywhere or nowhere.

Faith schools shouldn't be selecting all or most of their intake on religious attendance. How does that serve the community without judgement? Why would a requirement for hypocrisy be a good idea? Many people opt to jump through the hoops, and once they have the place are never seen again at the place of worship. Meanwhile people who genuinely have a faith but "only" attend their place of worship once a fortnight/month/season would not be offered a place. A lottery system would be fairer.

Agree bum the change and support needs to come frome Feeder schools.

Tricky when schools seem to be in the gri p of the left who allow personal politics come into our child's lives.

It seems ridiculous to be providing more funding to the schools which are already providing [an excellent education].

Well not really, since the extra money is tied tightly to the social mobility agenda of the school requesting money. The idea is precisely to create more places at already excellent schools for the bright children in disadvantaged families. The idea is to look forward, not back (which is what these threads always do).

schools seem to be in the gri p of the left who allow personal politics come into our child's lives

Education has always been a political football. It's the one area where a government can actually make changes happen, very quickly (unlike, say, with defence, or health), and so they do, making a clear ideological point for voters - left and right.