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To wonder why it's ok for these celebs to ridicule Catholicism

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biscuitraider · 10/05/2018 13:48

people.com/style/met-gala-2018-critics-call-catholic-theme-blasphemous/
I'm certain that if it was any other religion there'd be uproar.

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rainingcatsanddog · 11/05/2018 12:06

Notice how they changed the law of succession in 2013 so that the monarch is now allowed to marry a Catholic, but still not allowed to be a Catholic.

Isn't this because the monarch is head of the Church of England which is Protestant?

TheAvengers33 · 11/05/2018 12:55

I am Muslim and I have to admit though I don't think it was intentionally mocking Catholicism, I do think it was in bad taste... I do agree that there would probably have been uproar of it was the Muslim or Jewish faith depending on how they were representing those faiths... I mean, please explain how Kim k having her breasts on show and then a couple of crosses on her dress represents Catholicism? It does make a huge mockery of religion as a whole...

AlfredDaButtler · 11/05/2018 13:57

Isn't this because the monarch is head of the Church of England which is Protestant?

That's exactly it. The monarch can't be any religion or denomination other than Anglican, because they're the head of that Church. The beef with marrying Catholics in particular is because it was an issue that they thought (in the immediate post-Reformation era) that the primary allegiance of a Catholic would be to the Pope, and in turn, potentially with the monarchs of Catholic countries like Spain. Catholics were viewed as traitors.

Figmentofmyimagination · 11/05/2018 14:25

The beef with marrying Catholics in particular is because it was an issue that they thought (in the immediate post-Reformation era) that the primary allegiance of a Catholic would be to the Pope, and in turn, potentially with the monarchs of Catholic countries like Spain. Catholics were viewed as traitors.

I was amazed to find out what a huge deal this fear by Protestants of Catholics was. I've just finished "The Watchers" by Stephen Alford - the history of the Elizabethan secret service under Frances Walsingham.

Of many amazing facts, I discovered that when Elizabeth's spies uncovered the Babbington plot to remove her and replace her with her Catholic half-sister Mary, Elizabeth personally countermanded the instruction for the Catholic plotters to undergo the usual punishment for traitors of being hung, drawn and quartered (already pretty gruesome) and instead insisted on the construction of a specially designed public scaffold, so that the limbs of each traitor could be torn off their torso while still alive. Nice.

P.S Reading into the history of faiths in Europe and their purpose in shoring up or tearing down political power must be the surest way to turn anyone with any remaining doubts into an atheist.

TomPinch · 13/05/2018 04:56

I do hate it when people impose modern values and judgements on people 400 years dead.

Gennz18 · 13/05/2018 06:23

I think the Catholic Church is wealthy and powerful enough that it can cope with a few slebs doing a Catholic-themed fancy dress party

FFS 🙄🙄🙄

I say this as a (lapsed) Catholic.

Save your outrage for the systemic cover up of abuse children by the Church.

Gennz18 · 13/05/2018 06:30

P.S. I still have residual fondness for Catholicism and if the religion has a saving grace it's that most of its practitioners - well the ones that I know - have a healthy sense of proportion about some of its more ridiculous elements, and a deep appreciation of pomp and pageantry which probably extends to Rihanna in a papal mitre.

TomDonaldson · 14/05/2018 18:51

Figmentofmyimagination
The Babington plot was to put Elizabeth's cousin Mary, Queen of Scots on the throne instead of her. Elizabeth's half sister Mary I was Queen regnant before Elizabeth and as a Catholic Queen she burned a lot of protestants as "heretics" which naturally appalled the population.
In Elizabeth's defence the Catholic Church had encouraged people to kill her and encouraged Spain to invade England (which didn't happen as their fleet was destroyed). Also you have to remember that the St Bartholmew's day massacre was still within living memory.
The rules to prevent Catholics being on the throne came about because later monarchs Charles II and James II were closet Catholics. It's a bit difficult to be head of the Anglican church if you aren't Anglican yourself.
I don't think you will find much prejudice against Catholics in the (mainland) UK these days apart from some pockets of sectarianism in Scotland and of course NI.
To be fair most European Catholic countries have done things to non catholics, Spain and France certainly have.

MightyMucks · 14/05/2018 20:18

I was amazed to find out what a huge deal this fear by Protestants of Catholics was.

Yes, but the whole inquisition thing was not all fluffy kittens and unicorns either.

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