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Why is it so wrong to love partners unconditionally.

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Topsyntimsmumdrivesmetogin · 05/05/2018 15:42

On a previous thread about loving children more than partners I was deemed " unhealthy " for saying my other half is my safe place, my rock and I wouldn't never recover if I was to ever lose him.

Why is this so wrong I didn't marry him thinking " oh I do love you but life would be ok if you left or died" I married him because he is the absolute love of my life and a beautiful person and father !

I don't think this I see this as wrong ?

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Topsyntimsmumdrivesmetogin · 05/05/2018 19:06

I'm really struggling how to see that you have managed to come to that conclusion without knowing us :/

We hav both had different careers,we both have different friends.
We attend seperate events.
I am very able in every day life to do things without him 😂
I just couldn't imagine living my whole life without him.
So I can see I'm coming across wrong but I honestly don't have " mental illness " and my poor husband Is not trapped in some sort of emotional unstable needy relationship.

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Missingstreetlife · 05/05/2018 19:08

Well it's possible to think you can't live without someone, and feel that's true, indeed it may be very difficult especially at first. Actually you can and will, even a child who you love unconditionally, even if it breaks you.
Unconditional love is what you get from your parent when you are a dependent child, if you are lucky and sometimes that continues, sometimes there is a breaking point, or you still love them even if estranged. Almost every other relationship has its limits, which does allow us to move on if we have to.

Topsyntimsmumdrivesmetogin · 05/05/2018 19:09

Ardent - I really don't understand what I said what was so wrong.
Although according to this I should probably let my poor DH go and move his life without us.

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Sparklesocks · 05/05/2018 19:09

If you are happy and confident with it all I don’t see why posting a thread is a useful exercise then?

I love my partner with everything but he is not the centre of my world. I love him but if he cheated, disrespected or hurt me then I no longer would feel the way I do now, as he would’ve abused that love and trust. Also if he (god forbid) passes away I know it would destroy my life, but in time it would get easier and he would want me to be happy.

If you’re happy then fine, it seems odd to start a thread about it.

Topsyntimsmumdrivesmetogin · 05/05/2018 19:11

Missing street that is exactly my point.

Our daughter has a really serious illness which means she will not live to adulthood.
The thought breaks me and I could not imagine a life without her dancing in the kitchen or giggling in her happiest times. I couldn't imagine my life ever being complete again without her in it.
I do know that somehow I would need to live my life and find away to deal with the pain but I would never get over it or recover fully.
I feel the exact same about my DS and my husband.

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Sprinklesinmyelbow · 05/05/2018 19:12

You seem quite dramatic op? One minute it’s unconditional, the next it isn’t, now anyone saying it’s all a bit weird is saying you should just leave him and Rot alone... I mean calm down!

Topsyntimsmumdrivesmetogin · 05/05/2018 19:12

I already apologised for starting the thread.

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Topsyntimsmumdrivesmetogin · 05/05/2018 19:13

Sprinkles I was being a bit sarcy towards the comments about my poor DH.
I'm not planning on leaving.

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IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 05/05/2018 19:13

People can choose to leave their partner for cheating etc and still love them. Leaving is something you choose to do for self preservation, but it has no bearing on how you continue to feel.

SleepingStandingUp · 05/05/2018 19:14

I don't understand how you could love your husband if he murdered (not in self defense) or raped someone, especially a child. That's what unconditional would require.

I doubt I'd truly love him if he abused me, kicked kittens for fun, stole from his parents even if I felt I had to stay with him. How do you love someone like that that you cannot respect or like?

Bluntness100 · 05/05/2018 19:16

I think it was your phrasing that was the issue. The whole "I will never recover"thing. Of course people would say that's unhealthy.

Because, well, it is. It's unhealthy to be so reliant on one person for your happiness that you could not recover if you weren't with them.

Topsyntimsmumdrivesmetogin · 05/05/2018 19:19

Bluntness I wouldn't.
Touch wood if anything happened to him I would feel the same if it was one of my children as I see it we are a unit and we all love eachother.

The same as if any of them was to commit murder I would always love my children it doesn't mean I would condone them or forgive them for that act.

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Topsyntimsmumdrivesmetogin · 05/05/2018 19:20

By recover though, I do mean the same as having to say goodbye to my DD. I would have to carry on life but the part will always be missing.
I'm saying that my DH and my children are as equally as important to me.

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Babyplaymat · 05/05/2018 19:30

My mother-in-law knew my late father her whole life. He was her best friend's brother, she met him as a baby. Her only boyfriend, 4 sons and however many years of happy marriage later he passed away suddenly. Was she devastated? Heartbroken? Yes, definitely. Did she carry on? Of course. She takes pleasure in her sons and their families, still wears her wedding ring and is a rock for a large family.

I suspect this is what you mean OP. He was the only one there ever was for her, and the only one there ever will be. Doesn't mean that she can't survive without him, more just that she would rather not have had to.

user1490607838 · 05/05/2018 19:34

I have known a few women in the past who couldn't go on when their husband died or left. One woman (whose husband left her,) commit suicide, and another (whose husband died when they were both 40, after 10 years of marriage and 13 years together,) just lost the will to live, sank into a deep depression, and became severely housebound. Her house turned into a stinky flea-ridden pit, and she became hugely obese. At 47, she took her own life too. Because she 'couldn't go on without him..........'

I don't want to judge, but I found both cases so terribly sad, and a massive waste of life. Both women were only middle aged, and could have gone on, alone, and maybe eventually found someone else.

I also know several men who completely fell apart when their wives died or left (they were all 50-60ish.) One of them commit suicide too.

I love my husband, and have 2 kids with him, and we have a lot of fun together, and have had a lot of good times (as well as some lows and bad times,) but I would not stop living and fall apart if he left or died. I know it's easy to say that, but I really would be OK.

He wouldn't be OK without me though, he would fall apart. He doesn't do like to do anything without me, and doesn't like going anywhere without me. He can be a bit needy and clingy sometimes.... I know that may sound suffocating to some (and it can be - a bit - sometimes,) but it's just how it is and I am OK with it. But yeah, he would shrivel up and die without me. He admits that himself.

I guess there's wrong really WRONG with loving your partner and feeling like you couldn't go on without them, but when someone says they would put them before their children, I will judge them very badly .... NO-ONE should put ANYone before their children. Hmm

Topsyntimsmumdrivesmetogin · 05/05/2018 19:34

Yes it's things like, I am sorry about your father.
I to wouldn't take my wedding ring off, I would have to continue with life and I know that. He will always be apart of my life though.

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Eolian · 05/05/2018 19:36

The difference between your love for a dh and your children is that you chose your dh on the basis of things you liked/found attractive about him. There will have been umpteen men in the world that you could also have been happy with (even if romantics claim that there was only ever one possible partner in the whole world for them). If it turns out that your dh isn't what you thought he was, or does something dreadful that changes your understanding of what he's capable of, it's understandable to fall out of love with him, even if you are very sad and have regrets for what might have been.

Children are different. You didn't select them, they are yours and part of you. Often, their potential failings and bad deeds are down to you too, and to how you brought them up. We are genetically programmed to look after and protect our young. That's why most people would probably still feel protective of their children even if they did something terrible.

That's why people feel that your attitude is weird. Plus they probably associate that kind of unconditional love of a partner with women on MN (and in real life) who turn a blind eye to their partner's faults, even to the detriment of their children. Or women who tolerate all kinds of abuse from a partner because they love him and can't let go of the man they thought he was.

user1490607838 · 05/05/2018 19:37

Yeah, the 'I would never recover if he died' thing is a bit of a worry.

user1490607838 · 05/05/2018 19:38

Excellent post @Eolian ^

Topsyntimsmumdrivesmetogin · 05/05/2018 19:38

User I never ever said I would put him first over the children.
Not in the other post and not on here.
as I said up post my main focus for 22 months was DD as she was the one who required a lot of support due to health problems.
I didn't even sleep in the same bed as DH for 22 months.

I have never stated children don't come first. I love them all but the children come first because they are dependant on us and it's our life to make sure they are happy and have everything they need.
I also do a lot without DH.
We have our own friends, days out etc and different hobbies.

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user1490607838 · 05/05/2018 19:42

Sorry my last sentence in my long post up there ^ should have read 'there is nothing WRONG with loving your partner and feeling you couldn't go on without him...'

Oh, and to the OP; what I said about putting them in front of the children wasn't aimed at you. Smile

Eolian · 05/05/2018 19:43

Thanks, user. I love my dh very much, but I'm always slightly disturbed by people who see utterly dependent, all-consuming love as a virtue or as the sign of a strong relationship. I don't think it is. I think it's a sign of imbalance and loss of self.

user1490607838 · 05/05/2018 19:44

@Eolian

I couldn't agree more. Smile ^

Topsyntimsmumdrivesmetogin · 05/05/2018 19:46

Ahh ok someone earlier had said I posted that on the other post which I really didn't 🤦‍♀️

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EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 05/05/2018 20:45

We might love someone unconditionally

But that doesn’t mean your relationship is unconditional that isn’t a healthy relationship

But we don’t just stop loving someone becuase we find out something terrible about them or they have hurt us feelings and emotions are more complex than that