To not find middle class ‘socialists’ laughing at the poor and uneducated very funny.

[Mightymucks]

I’m currently a mature student and am on a lot of FB pages related to my Uni. I need to be on there for news, but an awful lot of the content seems to be middle class self proclaimed socialists laughing at jokes poking fun at the thick unwashed masses who might have the temerity not to slavishly agree with them on every issue.

Take this morning. One of them posted a joke about an imaginary rabid Brexiteer called ‘Sharon from Croydon’ who voted for Brexit ‘because she thinks brown neurosurgeons are stealing jobs she would have been qualified for if she hadn’t dropped out of her hair and beauty NVQ’. Cue much hilarity from these students and lots of comments about ‘thick northerners’ whose capability of engaging with the political process doesn’t extend beyond looking at one slogan on a bus.

I called him ‘a snob’ and he responded that he was ‘calling out racism’ despite the fact that ‘Sharon’ is fictional and therefore doesn’t need calling out. It was just a series of lazy stereotypes designed to stoke predjudice and exactly the thing socialism is supposed to be explicitly against?

A symptom of this in a ward by the Uni near me Labour has actually removed a local candidate with long standing Labour links and huge respect from locals because he is
‘too working class’ for the students to vote for and replaced him with a history academic from out of town.

I should point out that in my working class northern area I don’t know a single person who isn’t aware that Marxism and socialism represents the working classes and the poor and uneducated. But apparently a University education doesn’t extend to teaching that these days.

I also know it isn’t universal in Labour because I had a fantastic female middle aged canvasser around this weekend who was totally clued up on issues of local concern like school funding and libraries and actually convinced me to vote for them.

But AIBU to hate these middle class millennial fuckwits who pretend they’re socialists but are actually massive fucking crashing snobs?

Im really confused here because I am a middle class socialist from Croydon! Not a millenial though, too old.

I just want to point out that my home town is very working class and they voted to remain so it definitely wasn’t a case of the ‘dumb’ working class fucking Brexit up for the intellectuals...

If you’re not a socialist by the time you’re twenty you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative by the time you’re 30 you have no brain...

Im really confused here because I am a middle class socialist from Croydon! Not a millenial though, too old.

Nothing to be (ironically) proud of..

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41349409

The OP was about a section of the left who pride themselves on apparently supporting the working class until they vote differently, you have barged in with partisan glasses and have unironically proved their point, even more so by bringing up your working class credentials.

The OP's point was based on anecdote. Do you have any real evidence of people supporting the working class and then "voting differently" other than a few mn threads?

Most people are partisan to some degree. Starting a thread about "lefties" and then the usual suspects wading in to nod accordingly usually followed by some Corbyn bashing is also partisan.

I brought "my credentials" up so not to be accused as middle class, which seems to be some sort of crime particularly if you raise concerns about poverty/inequality. I'm sorry I barged in on the lefty bingo bashing.

Should Brexit do more damage to Brexit voting communities I expect those who raise concerns to be derided as do gooders, insincere middle class liberals. Same old shite. Anything to avoid talking about the current incompetent government.

oh no how dare the snowflakes use the internet to obtain information.

Interesting as its May Day today. Workers of the world unite!

Ghost of

Better this incompetent government than your (labour) totally incompetent government...

Hey, your quality of argument is consistently dire.

Imagine supporting a government that has handled Grenfell and Windrush so appallingly. As well as promoting a hostile environment. Shameful really. The worst government in my lifetime.

If you’re not a socialist by the time you’re twenty you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative by the time you’re 30 you have no brain...

In the same vein, they think capital flight is a right wing conspiracy yet say they are looking to move abroad asTories won the GE or on the outcome of Brexit, champions of working class and all that, but it's just the tories who have I'm an alright attitude..

Politics is becoming a joke

Lol @ all the blues getting tetchy in here

In the same vein, they think capital flight is a right wing conspiracy yet say they are looking to move abroad asTories won the GE or on the outcome of Brexit, champions of working class and all that, but it's just the tories who have I'm an alright attitude..

Now, now don't be partisan. Who is "they"? Who moved abroad because the Tories cobbled together a working majority? I don't blame people for leaving because of Brexit it has turned the UK toxic.

Politics is becoming a joke

Well they say you get the government you deserve. Congratulations.

Lol @ all the blues getting tetchy in here

Eternally angry. They "won" Brexit but you wouldn't know it. Anyone would think May's government was shit. Oh wait...

Eternally angry. They "won" Brexit but you wouldn't know it. Anyone would think May's government was shit. Oh wait...

Their ears are probably steaming with rage as we speak

Their ears are probably steaming with rage as we speak

Its why they start these threads - to deflect. Too many skeltons in the Tory closet now!

Ghost of

If this is the worst government in your lifetime you must be very young...

Let me help you out: corbyns Labour Party is not a credible party of government.

Now is the bit where you start your usual whataboutery, whilst ignoring the (self-confessedly) anti-Semitic, pacifist to a fault, ‘run on the pound’, terrorist sympathising, ‘u turn on tuition fees’, trying to please everyone simultaneously on Brexit, no answers jokers on the left.

I agree this government are out of ideas. Normally I would agree it’s time for a change on that basis. But corbyn as pm? Dianne Abbott as Home Secretary? McDonnell as chancellor? Really!?

There I feel better now.

Most people are partisan to some degree. Starting a thread about "lefties" and then the usual suspects wading in to nod accordingly usually followed by some Corbyn bashing is also partisan.

You are still ignoring the relevant question of being pro Corbyn and pro EU...

If you was a little more centrist in your arguments I might take you a little more seriously, so far on this thread and many others its just about the evil tories and then deflection, funnily enough, just the same as you have done here.

Same old shite. Anything to avoid talking about the current incompetent government.

And yet any thread of an incompetent opposition is met with you bringing up the Cons at every opportunity ..

So, I'm yet to understand where you stand in being pro Corbyn and with his anti EU stance being an apparent right wing issue... you keep skirting round it but not offered anything other than empty soundbites so far

Hey,

take alook at David Davis performance today. Embarassing.

Anyway you've won right wing tabloid bingo. Please develop an independent, coherent argument. next time.

Lurker

Yes funny how the corbynistas apparently forget that st Jeremy is on record over several decades being stridently anti eu!

But but but.... the tories! Etc etc blah

I agree this government are out of ideas. Normally I would agree it’s time for a change on that basis. But corbyn as pm? Dianne Abbott as Home Secretary? McDonnell as chancellor? Really!? This is the crux of the matter. They're a bunch of incompetents.

Ghost of

Of my list what is demonstrably wrong? Corbyn has admitted the party has a anti Semitic problem. The Labour brexit position is (at best) ambiguous. John
McDonnell raised the run on the pound concern. They did praise the ira - McDonnell has apologised. They did mislead on tuition fees immediately prior to an election.

Where am I going wrong here? Why can’t you accept your messiah is, in a long line of messiahs, simply selling snake oil?

Lurker,

Labour pointed out in their manifesto their vision for Britain. The Tories torn their manifesto up as it appeared fox hunting wasn't a working class voting winner.

The UK is supposed to be leaving the EU in less than 12 months. However, if David Davis lack of understanding on NI and the lack of infrastructure at ports is anything to go by Brexit will either be binned or constantly kicked into the long grass.

This is not about deflection it is about holding the UK government (who happen to be Tories) to account. Even with the constant backing of most of the press they are still awful. Thats before you get to the travesty of Windrush.

On 31/3/19 those unicorns better turn up to sprinkle fairy dust on deprived communities. Otherwise it will be up to the Tories. More foodbanks anyone?

Ghost of

Corbyn is leading a pro Brexit (according to their manifesto) party

So presumably he also believes in your unicorns?

Now, now don't be partisan. Who is "they"? Who moved abroad because the Tories cobbled together a working majority? I don't blame people for leaving because of Brexit it has turned the UK toxic.

Now, now, its the same type of people who virtue signal that their children are crying against tories/trump come to power and then flight when Hollande’s policies are introduced..

Well they say you get the government you deserve. Congratulations.

Same can be said with opposition, yet you seem to ignore the many elephants in the room and rather play party politics though.

You are not the champion you think you are