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To ask why this man seems to hate me so much?

122 replies

Art3misZeee · 24/04/2018 23:00

I need some clarity here. I’m quite introverted and have had a lot of mental health issues, diagnosed with depression, anxiety and MPD but with a lot of help these have been manageable. Finally got myself out on the horse after so many years and back into a nighttime access education course to pursue a career I’ve always wanted.

The course is counselling/psychology. On the first day we were put into ‘peer groups’ groups of 4 who we would do activity work with. From day one this man (he’s gay and always really friendly and funny with everyone else) has made it clear he doesn’t like me. Giving me the cold shoulder, won’t speak to me unless forced, when forced to speak to me won’t look me in the eyes, very dry with me and won’t give me answers if I try to speak to him. It was very awkward but I put it off as everyone being new and still getting to know each other.

It’s been a month and a half now and things might have kicked off tonight before class. We were both early and He was being his normal dry self with me, not looking at me or really answering etc then he complaining about possibly not completing the course, I asked why as he was doing so well. He ignored me, I repeated my ‘why’ and he turned to me, gave me one of the ugliest glares and snapped “I’m not talking about it! I’ve already talked about it with ‘Abby’!” Name of another woman in our group, not her real one btw.

That kind of made me snap. I just felt this horrible bundle of emotion in my chest and I blurted out “Can I ask you something? What’s your problem with me? Why don’t you like me?” He looked shocked and then said something along the lines of “Well, that’s a harsh question...” and I replied with “Not really a yes or no would do.” And he said “Well it’s not a yes or no question.” At that point I just gave up and said “I’ll take that as a yes then.” Which made him look at me with complete disgust and said “We’re in class. I don’t think now is the time.” And turn away.

I genuinely don’t know what I’ve done to this man to be treated like this. I understand not everyone will like or even tolerate me but it’s like this man has gone out of his way to make me feel like dirt. He doesn’t even give me the common courtesy of looking at me when speaking, I feel so tiny when it boils down to speaking in the group.

Can someone tell me if I’ve done something? Or what would you do in this situation? I hate the awkwardness and the lump in my throat this confrontation has caused but it’s made me feel so bad and has started to kill whatever small but if confidence I had left. I also feel like an idiot for my outburst and don’t know what to do about it. Really feel like walking away from the course. Sad

OP posts:
Art3misZeee · 25/04/2018 11:50

Thanks, everyone. Flowers

So, do I most definitely not message him to explain my ...’outburst’? I feel embarrassed now, particularly with him telling me it wasn’t the place in such an abrupt tone. I know it wasn’t but every small action from day one seemed to build up in that moment.

I’m also slightly worried how this will change our peer group. As he’s quite close to A and if he tells her I randomly had an outburst at him it could make things awkward. I’d rather hope not as A seems like a lovely girl but if she’s close to him and I’ve apprently attacked him out of the blue it could put me in a very bad light.

I will most definitely look into going back to my therapy along with my studies. I see now that it can really only positively affect me. The reason why I perceived therapy as ‘going backwards’ is being the main treatment for MPD is psychotherapy. So if I were to have a bad day or a switch I would need a session to speak about this.

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Weezol · 25/04/2018 12:20

Do not message him, you see and interact in class only.

LaContessaDiPlump · 25/04/2018 12:25

Don't message him. You called him out on his rudeness; you had every right to, and he was never going to respond with delight! Don't backtrack now if you message him then you are effectively bowing and reaffirming his opinion of you as not worth his respect. Don't do that.

SomeKnobend · 25/04/2018 12:38

Don't message him. Also who says you had a random outburst? You didn't, he was rude to you (again) and you asked him for an explanation which he couldn't provide. You were perfectly reasonable in calling out his shitty behaviour. Your course leader has been a completely useless wet blanket about this too. She should be saying to him that his behaviour is not acceptable. As it is, you've called him out, you've given him an opportunity to explain himself, he hasn't. He's the one on the wrong and the ball is in his court. Leave it there. But do feel free to notice out loud if/when he's being rude again, eg "I notice you rolling your eyes as I spoke there, can you articulate why?". Try to withdraw emotionally though, don't allow his problem to become your problem.

YourVagesty · 25/04/2018 13:10

agree with everything SomeKnobend says.

Do not message - you were within your rights to ask him what his problem was. You've also demonstrated your strength to him so don't minimise that by apologising/ explaining.

I'd bet that he's feeling awkward and embarassed now.

Bowlofbabelfish · 25/04/2018 13:15

No do not message him!

Go back to class and be impeccably professional and controlled in all your dealings with him.

PoisonousSmurf · 25/04/2018 13:17

He sounds like a right Diva! Ignore him. Actually, do IGNORE him! He could even be a manipulator! He'd make a great subject to study Grin

Art3misZeee · 25/04/2018 14:11

Okay, yes messaging him is defiantly off the table then.

Though I’m really not looking forward to the awkwardness in class next week. I’ll try to ignore him but be civil if/when we do group activities 😪

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GallicosCats · 25/04/2018 14:20

If you want to be devious, you could ask for permission to record your one-to-one interactions with him. Just so that you can play back and reflect on them, under supervision from your therapist/course leader. Of course you would inform him that this would be happening...

I guarantee he'll behave himself.

MiniCooperLover · 25/04/2018 16:19

OP he opened the conversation by talking about potentially leaving, he led you in and then when you asked why he shut the door with 'I don't want to discuss it'. He did the inappropriate conversation not you! Do not message hi
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strawberrylove · 25/04/2018 20:19

Just give him this....🖕🏻 and move on with your day! Haha and then read that book I posted. You’re getting stressed about something that is completely out of your control? He doesn’t like you, he doesn’t have to give you a reason but he shouldn’t be rude to you. Just ignore and don’t let it bring you down. I bet he doesn’t go home and worry about it so why should you? I mean all of this in the nicest way to you of course. He on the other hand sounds not that nice...

Gwenhwyfar · 26/04/2018 08:34

"they choose somebody they perceive as 'weak' and then they publicly slight that person to make themselves look/feel strong. "

Yes, whenever I've been picked on, I think this is the why. Some kind of lack of confidence that makes me seem weak. Of course it's a vicious cycle as you lose confidence with this kind of thing.

Alpineflowers · 26/04/2018 09:57

Art3misZeee...On the first day we were put into ‘peer groups’ groups of 4 who we would do activity work with. From day one this man (he’s gay and always really friendly and funny with everyone else) has made it clear he doesn’t like me.

Is he the only man in your class?

I was on a course and had a similar reaction from a gay man (the only man on the course). Right from the start he made himself the centre of attention by repeatedly turning every conversation into a discussion about him and the fact that he was gay. I could have understood that to an extent but he also made crude and misogynist jokes about women and they weren't even 'funny'. I didn't react to these 'jokes' and I think he took this to be an attack on his gay 'identity'. It wasn't and I would have felt the exact same way if he had been straight.

Art3misZeee · 26/04/2018 13:50

Alpine, nope there is about 6 other men in the class! And he really is friendly and humourous with everyone bar me which really does sting.

I spoke to my tutor and she can’t come up with anything so he’s referred me to the inclusive learning center. I’m not sure what they’ll be able to do either. I really am considering not going back.

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Rikalaily · 26/04/2018 13:59

I would be treating him exactly as he treats you, some people just don't get how nasty or rude they are until they get a dose of thier own medicine. I bet he would be quick to point out how mean you are to him if you returned the favour.

GallicosCats · 26/04/2018 14:21

You need evidence OP. So write down everything you remember of your interactions with this manipulative bully. (I would say record it on your phone but that probably breaks data protection law or something). And treat all your encounters with him as a learning curve (admittedly a mountainous one) because sure as anything, if you pursue counselling as a career, you are going to deal with people just as difficult. Now isn't the time to cave in.

Mousefunky · 26/04/2018 14:27

I work in a college and teach mostly adults including access students. If any of them had an issue with someone else in the class for whatever reason, it would be promptly and efficiently resolved. It is not college policy to allow bullying and victimising to take place. This man sounds like a bully and it needs to be dealt with, especially since it’s reached a point where it’s affecting your mental health and making you reconsider completing the course.

Go above your tutor, talk to someone higher up in the college. In our college, we have an access course leader and she is truly brilliant. This would simply not be allowed (the peer group in advance thing is BS too, very very easy to make a quick switch around.)

CowesTwo · 26/04/2018 15:46

Can you just be coolly polite/civil with him when you have to and not engage at other times?

Motoko · 26/04/2018 16:25

Please don't stop going. speak to someone else, like student welfare or whatever they're called.

Ruffian · 26/04/2018 16:45

Please don't give up something you really want to do because of one person OP, after all you've gone through it would be a travesty! Apart from anything else it sounds as though he might leave the course so that would solve the problem.

I can't tell from reading your posts what this person's problem is, why he has singled you out. Its quite possible that he has also had MH problems and this is a manifestation of them. If you are also on good terms with 'A' perhaps you can try to speak to her about it?

I don't see that you've done anything to be embarrassed about - his behaviour was deliberately excluding but also passive-aggressive so probably intended to upset you without giving you a chance to confront. Asking 'what is your problem with me?' was a straightforward, upfront way of cutting through that.

What is the 'inclusive learning centre'?

flubdub · 26/04/2018 17:18

If you get on well with A, and she is close to him, can you ask her if she knows what his problem is?
Obviously only if it seems appropriate.

RebeccaBunchLawyer · 27/04/2018 10:32

Please don’t worry yourself too much, or bend over backwards to get this idiot to like you.

Sorry you’ve met this dickhead in a setting where you don't expect to come across this; instead I’m sure you were hoping for hard-working, likeminded, supportive people.

He has the problem, not you. Be polite and civil in a group, ignore him otherwise- obviously answer him politely if he has a question. Do not make him feel like he has the power to control the situation, and that it’s up to you to please him/not annoy him etc.

I have been here before, and found the best thing to do was to be nice, neutral and kind to all, and to get “allies”. And never bitch/slag him off to other students, as they could rat on you (accidentally), which you don’t need, if you get my drift!!

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