To say YABU if you think Kate deserves no sympathy because 'she knew what she was getting into!'

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It sounds like the sort of people use to say (and often still do), if a younger mother dared complain if she was drained - All because 'she knew what she was getting into' when she decided to have a baby, and that 'she knew the dad probably wouldn't stick around, she knew babies aren't dolls'

^The above is no reflection of all or even most young mums! I am one.

Anyway, moving on... Isn't it quite tactless and a bit lacking in compassion to say "She knew what she was getting into!"

I don't know her personally, but Will, and her three children, are just that to her. Not Royal figures for show.

I understand she may be feeling a million dollars, though. I suffered with HG and felt like going to the Ritz after my DC's birth. Sadly, I neglected to pack a dress and was quite disappointed I was going home in leggings and a top

Is there a typo in my post?

ILikemyChickenFried - do you really think the reason why we don't see pictures of Kate taking her children to school is because the press don't take the pictures??? cough - full-time nanny - cough

No idea who takes them to school. But the press in this don’t take pictures of them when out in public with the kids. They’ve struck a deal with the press. They give them occasional formal shoots and sometimes release private photos and in return the kids are left entirely alone.

If they hadn’t agreed they were going to go down the route of using human rights legislations and prosecutions to enforce it so the press didn’t have much choice but to comply.

Post Leveson the royal family have the upper hand in this situation and the press can’t afford to break the agreement. At the moment they are having a difficult enough time preserving freedom of the press as it is. Harassing a pair of toddlers would just give ammunition to people who want harsh press restrictions.

The Queens grandson, Peter Phillips is very rarely in the press and holds a fairly normal job

Yes. Trousering half a mil for his Hello wedding snaps and his firm (who of course will have won the tender completely fair and square) trousering £750K for organising HMQ's 90th street party shindig is utterly run of the mill.

Is Kate asking for sympathy?

Why would she need sympathy? She’s most likely overjoyed with love for her little baby

Battleaxe.... those things are only perks of his position though. I was talking about the relative freedom he has despite being the queens grandchild

I wonder how many of them would give up their wealth in exchange for complete privacy, working 40 hrs a week and a 3 bed semi though. We're saying that this isn't a possible scenario, but in fantasy land? I'm not sure many of them would happily give it all up.

No, I'm absolutely certain none of them would. Realistically if they did give it all up they'd still live very privileged lifestyles, the interest on their huge fortunes would give them a very comfortable life.

But Princess Margaret had the chance, (well any of them do in actual fact) the most spoilt, bad tempered, entitled one of the lot imo. Not a chance, even for the man she supposedly loved deeply. No way in a million years would any of that lot give anything up willingly. What for, because they have to pose for a few lousy photos and shake a few hands now and then....As if.

Unbelievable in this day and age we've still got the huge unnecessary burden of this family. How gullible we are.

There are plenty of rich women who can give birth in the Lindo wing and don't have to stand on the steps a couple of hours afterwards
It was 7 hours afterwards. What is so difficult about standing on some steps? It's not like she had to get strap the baby on her back and run a marathon or anything.
Plenty of women actually have to get out of bed and get on with things after they've had a baby. It's not a hardship unless you actually have complications.

I have worked for some of those rich women who give birth in the Lindo wing. Many of them have - shocker - actually earned a lot of that money themselves. The ones that haven't tend to have partners who are continually away earning, or in some cases are deeply off putting and frankly a job to be married to. None of them work light hours, with a husband who does the same, with anywhere near the level of support she has. Doesn't mean I hate her, just don't get the swelling of sympathy.

7 hours after my natural birth I was popping out to the shops for milk on the way home - especially for a third birth it isn't necessarily so terrible to stand for a few minutes.

I don't feel sorry for her, I think she has a lovely life. I also thought she looked beautiful yesterday, so soon after giving birth, but it's a small price to pay for everything else she has.

I wonder how many of them would give up their wealth in exchange for complete privacy, working 40 hrs a week and a 3 bed semi though. We're saying that this isn't a possible scenario, but in fantasy land? I'm not sure many of them would happily give it all up.

Absolutely not. But, that was never Kate's destiny.

Am I alone in imagining that horrid red dress ( not her first choice, surely but a weird nod to Diana recommended by some pr person?) all screwed up in a corner never to be worn again?

She’s in her pjs, done her bit of the deal and ready to slob. Or get herself snapped back into shape for The Wedding...

Or get herself snapped back into shape for The Wedding..

She's probably taking a brisk walk around the palace gardens as we type.

Why does she need sympathy or comments that she knew what she was getting into because she had to stand on a step holding her baby for a few minutes.

After my 3rd DC was born I also had to walk out of the hospital a few hours later to get into a car and be driven home by my then husband.

I was wearing normal clothes, can't remember exactly, but it was probably a dress, and I wasn't worried that I was going to leak all over the place or faint or whatever.

I got home, my husband went to pick up our other 2 DCs from school and I got on looking after my baby. I didn't 'slob' in my nightwear, as that's not something I do. Why do people assume she's feeling like she wants to.

She's is, I imagine, a healthy woman who has had a baby in a relatively straightforward birth I suspect, given that she's able to go home after 7 hours, she's not undergone some ghastly ordeal.

How man thousands of women in her position go home after giving birth and get on with their lives looking after their other children.

Standing in front of the press for a few minutes is hardly a massive hardship.

One thing I do envy the Royals is the cast iron certainty that they will be looked after to the highest standards in the utmost comfort until the end of their days. They will never have to fear being lonely or isolated.

seren, i was thinking that today -

if the Queen or Prince Phillip becomes really ill or has dementia in a few years time, there will be plenty of help, doctors, nurses and all sorts running around after them - her children will never have to worry about money or finding a decent care home or laying awake wondering if they have wandered off again or calling the police due to delusions paranoid thoughts. They will and can afford the best of everything and will always be safe. Because they are born to a Royal blood ( ie, human like the rest of us, but just born to a better family with money and other people's money at that) i hate to sound bitter, but its true., they are cushioned from all the harsh realities of life.

(I know lots of other people are too , of course, the majority though are not. ) it seems so unfair at times.

those things are only perks of his position though. I was talking about the relative freedom he has despite being the queens grandchild

What position?

He's a distant also ran in terms of ever reaching the throne yet he can and does milk the advantages of contacts and pedigree shamelessly. He's precisely the kind of cling on Charles is so anxious to cut loose.

I agree with you, it's just not the point I was trying to make.

He has the perks of being royal without the biggest disadvantage of press intrusion

I really don't get the fawning for this woman who has never really done anything. But then I'm a pretty rabid republican and think it's about time this country grew the fuck up and stopped paying for this over privileged bunch of non entities.

I think you all need to watch the latest episode of Philomena Cunk

I think you all need to watch the latest episode of Philomena Cunk

Or perhaps The Windsors, in which Kate is a gypsy. LOLz.

Battleaxe.... those things are only perks of his position though. I was talking about the relative freedom he has despite being the queens grandchild

Yeah....”relative” freedom.

There’s no such thing as “relative” freedom.

Do all those who felt pity for her standing on steps for a few minutes holding a baby feel sorry for women who have actual hardships. I mean as hardships go this one has to be on the bottom of the hardships scale. Maybe feel sorry for her for other reasons but ffs not THIS? The woman was slightly inconvenienced for a few minutes, big fucking deal. Let's feel sorry for people with problems.

Why are people so mean? Kate looked lovely and most people were happy to see them. I thought Princess Charlotte stole the show earlier, though.

I thought William looked ok. Same outfit for all three I think- or similar. Nobody mentioned him though.