To say YABU if you think Kate deserves no sympathy because 'she knew what she was getting into!'

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It sounds like the sort of people use to say (and often still do), if a younger mother dared complain if she was drained - All because 'she knew what she was getting into' when she decided to have a baby, and that 'she knew the dad probably wouldn't stick around, she knew babies aren't dolls'

^The above is no reflection of all or even most young mums! I am one.

Anyway, moving on... Isn't it quite tactless and a bit lacking in compassion to say "She knew what she was getting into!"

I don't know her personally, but Will, and her three children, are just that to her. Not Royal figures for show.

I understand she may be feeling a million dollars, though. I suffered with HG and felt like going to the Ritz after my DC's birth. Sadly, I neglected to pack a dress and was quite disappointed I was going home in leggings and a top

I thought Kate looked rather unsteady too yesterday and I wish to god she'd come out in an outfit that would be more likely one she chose.
I went home with Dd1 in nice maternity jeans, linen shirt, new converse pumps and had had a blow dry.. (private hospital abroad that offered this service) looking back at photos I looked happy, well turned out, young new mum. She might like her dress choice but really those high heels.. I struggle to believe that any young woman who has just had a baby really wanted to walk out in heels.
And I'd like to think that the media and public also don't expect it either

He’d still be in the press, still have his life picked over and, as the grandson of the Queen, he’d probably still need some level of protection.

The Queens grandson, Peter Phillips is very rarely in the press and holds a fairly normal job. Zara is in the press more so but her career as a sportswoman makes her more of a public figure.

I agree Harry would, initially at least, still require some security but I think he'd be able to go aboit a pretty normal life.

The press really isn't that intrusive for them. We don't see Kate dropping George at school everyday or William popping to the shops. I don't see why that would change of they stopped being "royal". The interest would eventually wain to almost nothing.

How can someone justify basically sitting on their butt for 8 years after graduation?

I'm not disagreeing with you, but it's fair to say that none of the Middletons have applied themselves to work particularly (Pippa's brief foray into journalism/writing aside) apart from halfheartedly helping out with the family business.

And that's not untypical of children of high achieving, generous parents like the Middletons.

I suppose what I'm saying is that if Kate had attached to herself to a hedge fund manager or similar, she wouldn't have troubled herself with work either. It's wasn't just because she was marrying into the royal family.

Is William privileged. Yes. Did that privilege Sheild him from having a broken home? No. Did it help him behind closed doors when his mum was breaking down crying because of pap hounding? No. Did that privalige stop his mum from dying in tragic gruesome circumstances? No. Did it stop her possessions being stolen and raided and violated by her... Rock... Burrel? Did it stop all the crazy inquests and conspiracy stories? Having to share that moment with the world the walk behind the coffin?

Yes money wise he has many worries taken away for him from gruelling day to day life but at the same time, as a boy he has had more than his share of trajedy and saddness. Which no amount of privalige could Sheild him from.

I am definitely jealous - of the maternity service she will have had. Not for Kate the tales of ‘I begged for painkillers but they said the surgeon was going out for dinner so I had to have stitches with no anaesthetic’ or ‘I was told not to be so silly, the baby couldn’t possibly be halfway out yet after hours of agony only to find he was already born when the midwife looked under my gown’. Have you read the threads on here about things that happen to women in labour as a result of understaffed midwives being rushed off their feet and a culture of telling women to shut up and push? I know she had vomiting, but she’s also monitored within an inch of her life, doctors who will visit her daily if she wants, not reliant on an overstretched and underfunded NHS hospital that makes mistakes... and all on our dime. Yeah, I don’t feel sorry for her at all, two minutes on a step notwithstanding!

Nobody is disputing he suffered as a child but not more than countless other UK children who lost a parent and whose parents broke up. And he had an extraordinary level of stability compared to many of those other children.

And that is in relation to UK born children before even considering very small children dying in boats while trying to escape war torn countries, small girls being snatched and made to work as sex slaves and the too many to mention other horrors children endure around the world daily.

I believe Kate worked in her family business as well. Like loads of people do.

Like Pippa did? It's a mail-order business selling plastic tat. They have staff for that. She didn't work. Do you think they were on the factory floor, packing balloons or something?

I love how there is so much sympathy for Kate on here but so little sympathy on other threads where someone has lost their job for instance. There it's all 'well, maybe you should have worked harder', but their hearts bleed for an over-privileged woman having to stand on a step for a few minutes. How utterly terrible for her.

I’m sure she will feel under pressure to look thin at the wedding, as will every woman who’s had to attend a wedding post-partum. However, she has an army of nannies, nurses, cleaners, chefs, stylists, personal trainers and dietitians to ensure she can devote time to exercise while eating the right meals, rather than horsing chocolate in the ten minutes the baby is asleep and finishing up the older kids’ baked beans when they won’t eat them! Also, a gym and pool in the building (I assume) rather than trying to carve out time to go to the council gym, and vast beautiful grounds to walk in instead of pushing a pram round a council estate. Plus people who will probably make her clothes from scratch if the ones she has don’t fit.

Can you tell that people feeling sorry for her piss me off? Might be having a bad morning!

I don’t feel sorry for her. I had my DD at the Lindo wing and walked out post section 4 days later in full makes up havinga all done my hair. The care there is 1st class! I am pretty sure with her staff to lament my look, I could have swanned our looking pretty fantastic and I had had major surgery not an uncomplicated yes VB!!

To be perfectly honest, she would go up in my estimation if she wore post maternity clothes to the wedding ie a smock style dress, something that showed she just had a baby. Appearing in a tight dress showing off a toned body is because she wants that. Nobody would put any pressure on her to have lost baby weight a month after she gave birth. Except herself because SHE wants to.

You must be reading a different thread then peak cause not many people have sympathy for K or RF.

The overall consensus seems to be that being privileged means you have no right to basic privacy or sympathy for anything, because everyone else has it harder.

I wouldn't say I feel sorry for her but I think she's made of strong stuff to cope with it all. I'm in awe of her ability to wear high heels and carry little ones down steps. No way could I do that.

Kate and her sister were groomed to marry rich, aristocratic men by their mother and Kate sure hit the jackpot! She even ditched William in a bid to get him to commit and that worked, too. She vigorously controls how much we see of her children. She sent William to ask the Queen if she could take a step back from her royal duties (glad the Queen wasn't having any of it). Kate is the future Queen, for pity's sake! She knows exactly what's she is doing and I don't feel sorry for her one single jot.

I can’t wear heels - I am in awe of women that can. Let alone after childbirth and holding a new born. It looks dangerous to me! I don’t envy her at all.

The Queens grandson, Peter Phillips is very rarely in the press and holds a fairly normal job

He’s a good example.

I am not a royalist, but I know who he is, what he does and would recognise him in the street. If he had some disaster in his private life, it would be all over the newspapers.

Again, he didn’t choose fame (although didn’t he sell his wedding to Hello?) but he has it, like it or lump it. Not for anything he’s done, but because of his DNA.

And with the more senior royals like Harry and William, what choice have they ever truly had? Even if they did want to walk away, there’s zero chance they could ever have privacy or anonymity. Their lives would probably be even more public because as “private citizens” they wouldn’t have all palace press/PR advisors etc commuicating with the papers on their behalves.

We talk about their privilege but they actually have less rights than the rest of us....no true right to make their own choices or plan their own lives.

I personally don’t care if they get palaces and butlers. We, by wanting to hang on to the monarchy (as the majority currently do), have no real business whining because of their cushy lives.

We’re one referendum away from getting rid of them. Until we do that (and I hope we will relatively soon) then we have to tolerate the forelock tugging, the curtseying, the silly “HRH”s (“Highness? It’s 2018, ffs) because, otherwise, what’s the point?

Kate and her sister were groomed to marry rich, aristocratic men by their mother

It's always Carole that's painted as the schemer isn't it? I want to believe that Michael planned the conquests.

I know who he is, what he does and would recognise him in the street

I don't know the first thing about him (kinda forgot he existed tbh). Does he even live in this country?

Off topic but did Kate ditch Williamto get him to commit? I thought Charles told him to let her go and sow his wild oats unless he wanted to marry her and he did. Kate, in their engagement interview, when questioned about their break up, said while it turned out for the best, she didn’t think so at the time.

I thought William fancied a bit of fun, didn't want to settle down but then realised what he was missing?

He dumped her at first. So I believe.
Yes, always the woman behind the scheming! No wonder women are judged all the time. I doubt even Carole M could make William go out with her at uni! She had to get noticed all by herself!