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To ask NRP to increase CMS payment?

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StarlaPriest · 19/04/2018 09:31

Hi everyone,

My ex and i have been separated coming up 8 years now. He's always made token payments for our 3 children, and when he got a better job 3ish years increased his payments to £200.00 a month. I received a letter from the CMS after a review of our case and they stated he should have been paying a fair bit more than twice that much going by his income and i could apply for arrears if i wanted. I chose not to, because i didn't want to rock the boat with my ex, preferring him to have a relationship with his kids despite my struggles. He very begrudgingly raised the amount a little bit but nowhere near the amount he should be paying. He's since then taken on a different shift pattern and sees the kids around once a month for one night, and has them for a weekend approx every 6 weeks. He says that these factors where he provides things for them his end should be taken into account and that he doesnt owe me what they are saying.

This year i have received another letter saying that his income is higher than last year and the amount he should pay has been raised again, however he keeps insisting that he cannot afford to pay any more. I have asked him to re-read the letter, and consider things from my point of view and get back to me. He's responded that he would be unable to pay his rent and get to work if he paid me the amount stated, which according to the income detailed in the letter is about half a weeks wage.

He lives with his partner, they both work and have no children to take care of their end.

I don't have much money of my own, my partner and i are building up our own business and we have one child together. I feel my partner puts so much into raising my older three when their own dad puts in the bare minimum and it is unfair.

I've given my ex one more opportunity to look at things again and stated that i wish he would look at it realistically as i don't wish to involve the cms any further. They would take whatever he is due to pay and the possibly the arrears from not paying the full amount for the past few years on top of the collection fees they now charge. I've no desire to bankrupt my ex so i've tried so hard to be fair, i really want to maintain a good relationship with him for the kids sake but i feel something has to give here.

Does anyone know what sort of effect cms payments have on the paying parent? Would it really leave them out of pocket? I know that they calculate the amount before tax deducted so i've always accepted less from him to account for this, but is this fair on me and the kids? Would i be being unreasonable to just let the CMS have at it?

Thank you if you've read this far x

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Weezol · 20/05/2018 12:18

I didn't intend for that to sound so harsh - sorry!

StarlaPriest · 20/05/2018 12:32

We are on each others social media as a means to share information about the kids, we just use messenger usually. My settings are so that he can't really see anything except things relating to the kids and i'm sure that he has his set up the same way - which is why this sticks out to me as being done purposefully for me to see it.

I should block him but i don't want the children to see that there is anything different going on with us, we've always presented a united front and everything's always been very friendly from their point of view. It's such a shame to have this ruin that but i suspect he's counting on it bothering me and me changing my mind about going through the CMS.

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Starlight2345 · 20/05/2018 12:48

That is what he is relying on . You keeping everything nice . He is the one changing the game on fb here.

StarlaPriest · 24/05/2018 19:19

Well i've managed to stick it out and avoid all attempts at conflict, and the first payment has come through for the full amount and including what he didn't pay of the last payment too. I'm still going to call and ask them to take it directly from now on, i've been on pins all day wondering if he was going to pay anything at all.

Anyway, the hard part is over and while things are still very frosty between us two, he's having the kids again this weekend so it's a good outcome as far as i'm concerned. Thanks for all the advice and keeping me going when i felt guilty and wavered Wine

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AnathemaPulsifer · 24/05/2018 19:41

Well done OP! This bit alone was enough to cement for me that YANBU in the slightest - if he gives you any more guilt-tripping at all I suggest you ask him to think very hard about his priorities: 'he pays out more per month for his fancy car than he does for his three children.'

Starlight2345 · 24/05/2018 21:31

well Done op .

I hope the children enjoy the benefits from the money you were entitled

StarlaPriest · 25/05/2018 07:18

Thanks guys. I'm still getting grief and guilt trips galore but it's done now. I'm going to open those savings accounts for them today, book us a nice day out for half term and go into town and have a nice few hours picking up things they need without worrying about every penny I'm spending!

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MrsPicklesonSmythe · 25/05/2018 08:42

Don't back down! Op that money is his children's. They deserve a decent quality of life. He should have thought of them before financing a fancy car so it's his problem not yours. If he gives you any further problems take it straight through the CMS.

Rainbowqueeen · 25/05/2018 09:38

Adding to the chorus of don’t back down.

Keep reminding yourself that your kids are the important ones here not him. Every time he complains what he is really saying is that he thinks he matters and they don’t

A father who really loved his kids wouldn’t behave that way

StarlaPriest · 25/05/2018 10:57

I've no intention of backing down now, and am going to sort it with the CMS to collect from now on too so I don't have to deal with him about it at all. The amount of guilt tripping I've received is not normal. My OH has said that he's emotionally blackmailing me, and some previous posters have said the same. I'm inclined to think that they're right and he's done such a good job which is why I feel so guilty even though I know logically I've done the right thing for the kids. I used to think I was going mad when we were together, and looking now it's becoming clear he's always been this way.

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trackerc · 25/05/2018 11:24

Your strength and resolve is brilliant to read. You should be very proud of yourself in just a short time you have done some independent logical reasoning that has prioritised your children. Don't underestimate how hard it is to reprogram your thinking when you have been repeatedly manipulated & emotionally whipped.
I talk from experience as I too believed what my Ex said, as I believed the person who I was convinced ought to have mine & my child's wellbeing & best interests at heart. They'd never manipulate or lie on that right?? That confused my mind, so I continued to believe his views & rants to be the truth, above my own evidence to the contrary. Any questions was met with hysteria or stonewalling but still I tried with rational discussion & reasoning. Unfortunately the threats, guilt tripping & negotiating on maintenance were so similar to yours (yet with the public 'poor abandoned me' FB posts) The same dad who reportedly was only ever wanting best for his child while not paying a penny in maintenance then having 5 foreign holidays (even taking a girlfriend & her kid away, but he never took his own further than the fair)
I, like you, took the emotion & worry out of it by involving CSM to make it a process, rather than the stressful experience of me begging & he scorning me & taking opportunity to chip away at my resolve. This is not you having to convince him to pay his responsibility, this is a detached government agency transacting a process. Your children deserve what is right for them. You did it.
Go you!!!

Weezol · 25/05/2018 13:30

Really glad to hear this, you have got it nailed. All future whining from him about money is now to be directed at CMS - brilliant! Brew

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