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To think that Brownies should admit children fairly?

113 replies

lyracostello · 18/04/2018 09:26

I live in a small Home Counties town that people move to from London to raise their kids. We moved here 4 years ago and I put my dds names down for Brownies. Dd turned 7 over the Easter holidays, and I was hoping that she would be able to start Brownies, but she hasn’t been offered a place yet.

Yesterday I asked a few other mums in DD’s class whether their daughters were starting Brownies, and one of them said yes. I asked her how long ago she’d put her DD’s name down and she said 2 years ago! So my daughter should have been higher up the list than hers.

When I pointed this out to her, and asked how it was possible, she reluctantly said she was friends with and had gone to school and church with the woman who is Tawny Owl, and they go to the same church still, and the Tawny Owl had made sure her dd got a place. She said it was really important to her that her dd was a member of that brownie pack as she had been a member when she was a child.

I spoke to a few other mothers and they said that the brownie pack seems to largely ignore the order on the waiting list, and gives out places based on whether you go to the Anglican Church (that the leader goes to and where the Brownies meet) and if your parents grew up in the town, as most of the leaders did.

AIBU to think this is completely wrong? The Brownies are a public organisation, they shouldn’t have such an unfair, discriminatory system. Children whose families are from the town, or who go to the church, should not have priority over children whose families have just moved here and don’t go to that church.

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outabout · 19/04/2018 07:47

£2.50 for an hour's childminding is VERY cheap.

FleurDelacoeur · 19/04/2018 08:08

I have three children involved with Scouts and Guides and lack of volunteers is an eternal problem. We try to do our bit - neither DH nor I can commit to a weekly slot, but we help out at coffee mornings or when they appeal for people to ask with maintaining the hall.

Most people don't though.

Guides and Scouts is hugely popular in this area and there are huge waiting lists. Children who have been in Beavers have priority for Cube, children who have been in Rainbows have priority for Brownies and so on.

Nobody wants to step up and give their time but want their children to have the opportunity of taking part. This is not new. My mum had to join Brownies as a leader to get my sister in, and that was 40 years ago.

irregularegular · 19/04/2018 08:36

TipTopHat

Guides is not a church organization. Neither is Scouts. This is a myth.

outabout · 19/04/2018 08:52

Although Guiding and Scouting is not 'religious' as such, some groups are affiliated to churches often getting use of the space for a reduced rate and the 'payoff' for this may be seen as preference to the (churchgoers) involved. As with the rest of life choices have to be made and if groups are oversubscribed it can be one factor in making a choice.
Any parent helping out any time is always appreciated, be it on 'the evenings' when the youngsters are there or some 'back office' stuff like accounts, shopping or admin.

ILookedintheWater · 26/04/2018 11:37

sweeneytoddsrazor Wed 18-Apr-18 22:40:19

Not having to pay rent for the hall we meet in means I can offer Rainbows for £25/term rather than the £40+ I'd have to charge otherwise.

That sounds a lot. Most units around here charge £2.50 a week, and pay the girls capitation out of that.

£25 per term is £75 per year. £2.50 per week over 36 weeks is £90. I charge £35 per term and have a full unit and twice as many on the waiting list.

LifeBeginsAtGin · 26/04/2018 11:51

It's often 'who you know'.....

Why not join the church? There's not many children these days who know the Lord's Prayer.

Cath2907 · 26/04/2018 12:00

I volunteered as a Beaver leader to enable my daughter to join. The group was full, 1 extra leader opened up half a dozen more spaces and my daughter got one - so did a bunch of other children. I've been a volunteer for 6 months now and am considering expanding to support a cub group also (one my daughter doesn't attend) which would open up further spaces for other kids. I also do a lot of admin and other stuff and am willing to do camps (sometimes tough to find adults who'll be available over summer hols to take camp). I have a full time demanding job and finding the time to do Scouting can be tough. If my daughter hadn't got a space through my volunteering I wouldn't have started it.

Hillarious · 26/04/2018 12:19

I was secretary of our scout group whilst DS1 and DS2 attended, and I was secretary of the scout group for three years after they left, because no-one from the group so current parents could be persuaded to step forward to take over.

Some people equate brownies, scouts etc the same as ballet, swimming, judo, theatre groups, where they are paying a lot more as the people running the groups are paid.

I don't think you can complain unless you show yourself willing to get involved in some way.

MTBMummy · 26/04/2018 12:32

OP - No YANBU, and it's not fair, our area only gives preference to those coming up from Rainbows, then it's first come first serve on the list

I'm a helper at the Brownie group my DD attends (FWIW I agreed to help after she was part of the group, not as an incentive for her place), and am seriously considering doing the training to start a new Guides group as 2 have just been closed in our area due to lack of support.

This isn't a dig, but seriously look at getting involved, it's a good institution and they need all the help they can get.

GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 26/04/2018 13:07

My DD is a Brownie and my DS is a Cub. They both love it and, my DD especially, has really improved in her confidence. Can I say a big thank you to all the lovely volunteers on this thread? Star Star Star Star Star

OP - I do think you should enquire about your DD's place. It is true that the waiting lists generally run on a combination of time on list and age but no harm in chasing it up.

JacquesHammer · 26/04/2018 13:20

Why not join the church? There's not many children these days who know the Lord's Prayer

Really hoping that’s tongue in cheek

Claire90ftm · 26/04/2018 16:23

YANBU It's complete BS that they ignore the list and clearly practise favouritism when it comes to children of mothers they know. What is the point in having the f*cking list if it's completely ignored. And children shouldn't be excluded because they don't go to church. Utter BS in my opinion.

Myse1f · 27/04/2018 11:25

@lyracostello
OP: Did you ever enquire about your daughter's place on the list?
What was the outcome?

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