to be horrified that people are forgetting the Holocaust?

[FleurDelacoeur]

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/study-shows-americans-are-forgetting-about-holocaust-n865396

OK, so it's an American study but 11% of all adults and 20% of millenials in the US haven't heard of the holocaust, or aren't sure whether they've heard of it or not.

Given that this is one of the most important events of the 20th century isn't this simply appalling? How can people NOT know??

I'm not aware of the curriculum in the rest of the UK but I know my secondary age kids in Scotland have learned about the Holocaust as part of a WW2 topic, and it was touched on in RE too when they learned about Judaism.

And quite frankly if it wasn't in the curriculum I'd be making sure they knew about it as it's such an important event which should never be forgotten.

I've not forgotten about it. But that's because of a CSI episode. Also the rise of Nazis in the USA makes it hard to forget about.

Also the rise of Nazis in the USA makes it hard to forget about.

And not only the US.

In their heads Jews are all orthodox and therefore could have just 'given up their religion'.

I'm really curious as to where you are (genuinely - I'm not being snarky) - growing up in the south east of the UK I think everyone I was at school with would not have needing this explaining to them

The rise of the far left and the far right is equally frightening.

Putin and Trump care not one fuck for human rights but one is held back by others while the other runs wild.

God deliver the world from egotistical males

Yes harrowing footage Lweji

I think it might be from 'German Concentration Camps Factual Survey'?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Concentration_Camps_Factual_Survey
A British documentary produced by Sidney Bernstein. Alfred Hitchcock was also involved in the film processing. Filmed in 1945, but the full film footage wasn't released until recently

It seems that footage, and other on YT, were taken from "the original 1945 British Pathe newsreel "German Atrocities - Proof"."

Lwegi

Rwanda sgree truly harrowing and as you say so fast.

I remfner hearing a man taking about the genocude in Bosnia and there was a class photo he showed, he was around 9 when it was taken. It was a normal happy photo with his class teacher.

2 years later this same seemingly normal nice class teacher was a terrifying monster who was in charge of torture for the district and he tortured his former pupils aged 11

Thr terribke thing was that the lad had really liked thr teacher and still couldn’t understand how he could have done this. Truly heartbreaking

Lweji-It seems that footage, and other on YT, were taken from "the original 1945 British Pathe newsreel "German Atrocities - Proof"."

I think, though I could be wrong, that what happened with the Bernstein 'Factual Survey ...' documentary was that it was shelved and the footage was stored away by the BFI or war department?, but then some of it may have been released in part. Used in the ITV series World at War for example or other programmes.
The full film was released only a few years ago. But it was available before that in Poland? and other countries?.

It's horrific raw footage. But extremely important historical evidence of course.

Mydoghates I was told stories of how Serbs and Bosnians who were friends and even married to each other just turn in each other.
Serbians just walked in. D helped themselves to their Bosnian friend’s property and goods and sold them out.
I’m horrified hearing what evil humans are capable of in times of war.

I really don't know the origin of this particular clip. I've just googled it, but it's a shame if it was not available before.

Agree DayKay

People they had known for years as friends and neigbours. It’s unfathomable . And just 1993 in Europe! I went to Yugoslavia as a young teen on a package holiday around 1980. It was s normsl sleepy tourist country. Just too dreadful to understand what the hell happened

In all honesty people remember what's relevant to them or if they have an interest in the subject matter.

Many would like to pretend slavery didn't happen because it's uncomfortable. Black people don't forget it though... because it's relevant and matters to them.

The concentration camp clip was very very hard to watch.

Aside my mum remembers running to to my grandad telling him that America had dropped a huge bomb on the Japanese. He said ‘good it’s the end’

My grandad cut his throat in 1959 in the privy in hIs garden. My great uncle had died and I think he couldn’t face the future. They all shared a big house. What a generation living through 2 world wars aged 20 and then 40 odd.

What a fucking dreadful time to live. PTSD would have been the norm.

This is relevant to how people can turn on each other.

People can commit unspeakable acts much more easily than we would like to believe.

aeon.co/essays/an-ordinary-person-becomes-a-torturer-with-surprising-ease

On the atomic bombs, it wasn't easy to explain to DS why the US (you know, the good guys) thought it was a good idea to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Many would like to pretend slavery didn't happen because it's uncomfortable.

It was immigration, you know?

Ben Carson's gem:
"“There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even harder, even longer for less. But they too had a dream that one days their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great grandsons, great granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”"

newrepublic.com/minutes/141151/ben-carson-thinks-slaves-immigrants-came-america-search-better-life

Because bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved hundreds of thousands of lives.

I know obviously my mum was a kid in the war so very different perspective at the time.

I think though honestly the Japanese would not surrender and thousands of allied and Japanese lives would have been lost in a ground invasion. But obviously how can you ever justify nuclear strikes., you can’t defend either strategies but I guess we weren’t there thank God so different perspectives

SandyY2K.

The holocaust yes, because there are people still alive today who lived through it.
One of the shocking things about it, is that it happened in modern Europe. Only 70 years ago.

Still let’s not forget those people working in the resistance at great peril during WW2 who risked their lives and those brave medical
Staff and journalists out there in Syria now.

People can be good too.

I've heard it bandied about that GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY 4% of humans will happily indulge in sadistic behaviour. The amount who will, go along is probably very high. very few, I imagine will stand up and fight against atrocities. That's the really horrific thing. We are horrific as species in equal measure to our ability to be the opposite. I personally think everyone in Europe should visit the Polish death camps, possible in a day from UK.

It’s achard thing to think but sgree there are always psychopaths willing to step up.

But as s mum would I really have stood up to the nazis knowing my children would have been shot? Tortured? No I would not. I wouldn’t actively join but to say I would t hsve been quiet is s lie.

If I had no children then yes. As a soldier on the front line yes it’s kill or be killed that’s an easy choice but as a mother in Germany or in the occupied territories no I wouldn’t have risked my children’s lives.

My children in the US have been taught about the holocaust. They did "Facing History and Ourselves" in middle school - it is a fabulous programme. If they hadn't done it in middle school they were required to do it in high school - 3 different high schools all with the same requirement

They also learn about slavery and the civil rights movement in middle school. 6th grade was devoted to the civil rights movement - I learned a lot myself.

It wasn't until my european husband went to america that he treated people with numbers tattooed on their arms.

We face history or we repeat it.

pallisers-They did "Facing History and Ourselves"

Hi
Hope you don't mind me asking but did this childrens history lesson entail?
Sounds a bit ominous tbh

I would like to show my respect and acknowledge the traditional owners of this land, the Gadigal People of the Eora Nation. I pay my respects and give thanks to Elders past and present and all Aboriginal people in this country that we all live and share - Australia.

The Holocaust should never be forgotten. It should be taught in all school. Likewise deliberate genocide committed under colonialism should be taught as widely, so more people can understand the intergenerational trauma that continues to this day and we can begin to make a genuine attempt at healing.