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To wonder if USA are behind Sailsbury attack?

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Adelino · 14/04/2018 18:09

Perhaps I've been watching too many spy dramas, but to me, Russian nerve agent being used to blatently target ex Russian spy screams of a set up from somewhere.

USA are embarassed by the increasing evidence that Russia was able to influence their democratic election.

Forcing their 'closest ally' to condemn Russia for an attack on British soil (and therefore condemn Russia) seems like a way to bring the world back to seeing America as top dog.

Why such an immediate jump to the obvious answer?

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muttmad · 14/04/2018 19:57

Its not just America and the UK that are blaming Russia, many countries have agreed and would not have publicly done so if they weren't convinced with some pretty watertight evidence the general public obviously are not privy to!

Lweji · 14/04/2018 19:59

What motive would Putin have do it?

Putin has been pushing NATO's buttons for a long time. Slowly, slowly, and increasingly more blatant.
Killing former agents sends a message to their agents, to the US and UK, as well as pushing NATO into a confrontation that suits him very well.

Mightymucks · 14/04/2018 20:01

You refer to the enemy of the Russian state. Is this the same individual who was imprisoned by the same state who could have bumped him off at any time?

But they couldn’t could they? Because they needed him to swap back their spys Anna Chapman et al.

mimibunz · 14/04/2018 20:02

Ffs, really? What is wrong with you people who think like this? Does it make you feel clever, like you figured out some international spy secret? Lol!

TwitterQueen1 · 14/04/2018 20:03

OP I'm afraid you are - as many of us on here are - a victim of the 'weapon of mass distraction' that is known as MN.

Rest easy comrade.

Lweji · 14/04/2018 20:05

I'll post openly here and I don't care if I'm deleted.

Pps should be aware that this is a prime time for Russian trolls to spread disinformation on social media.

Facebook has been the best known target, but it's not the only one.

PortiaCastis · 14/04/2018 20:05

We need some of isitmebuts long diatribes here just for balance Grin

YoloSwaggins · 14/04/2018 20:07

Putin has been pushing NATO's buttons for a long time. Slowly, slowly, and increasingly more blatant.

Haven't NATO been circling Russia with military bases? AFAIK there aren't any Russian bases in Mexico, Cuba, central America e.t.c.

many countries have agreed and would not have publicly done so if they weren't convinced with some pretty watertight evidence the general public obviously are not privy to!

But we went into Iraq on literally made-up evidence, didn't some bloke wave washing powder at the UN saying how Saddam's missiles could reach the UK "in 40 minutes" or some shit. 1 million people died over a complete lie.

YoloSwaggins · 14/04/2018 20:09

@Lweji - do you actually not believe that people can have a different viewpoint to what's in our media, without being a "troll"? Genuinely?

I mean what a great way to shut down any debate. "Anyone who doesn't agree with me must be a troll, so I won't argue". OK then.

Lweji · 14/04/2018 20:10

Haven't NATO been circling Russia with military bases?

Such as?

Russia has kept their own bases and nuclear silos.

Putin invaded Crimea, is still promoting civil war in the Ukraine, he has been supporting Assad and somehow Russian scientists helped NK develop nuclear weapons. Nice guy.

FairiesVsPixies · 14/04/2018 20:11

I'm with you OP, I thought it was America's work from the very beginning.
Don't think Russia would've make quite so much of a hash of it. I think Theresa May believes everything Trump tells her.

Flockoftreegulls · 14/04/2018 20:12

YABVVU

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Adelino · 14/04/2018 20:13

The irony of people calling me a conspiracy theorist and others calling me a Russian troll on the same thread.
I'm neither, can't speak for others though.

Taken on lots of points from the thread. It's a shame lots of people are so quick to call dumb rather than discuss, but that's the internet for you.
I suppose I am more swayed towards Russia being to blame, but I still wouldn't Bevin the slightest bit surprised if more to this was revealed in 10 years time!

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Icantbelieve · 14/04/2018 20:14

There was a massive radiation footprint for the polonium attack. They could trace its footsteps really and did just that from the teapot to the hotel room and the plane seat all the way from russia

FairiesVsPixies · 14/04/2018 20:16

But if they're not, they should be aware that there IS a lot of misinformation being circulated in social media.
Probably from both sides if truth be told.

Lweji · 14/04/2018 20:19

Probably from both sides if truth be told.

Not really. Not to the same extent.

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Adelino · 14/04/2018 20:19

@lweji
I actually started the thread because of the
lack of 'the other side's I've seen on social media. Interesting to hear the thoughts of others.
It's an important warning though. So easy to be influenced by what Facebook etc. Want you to see.

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user1492877024 · 14/04/2018 20:25

Lweji

I have reported your post. This 'Russian' troll hunting is tiresome. If you cannot accept that someone may have a difference of opinion to you then maybe this isn't the site for you.

Lweji · 14/04/2018 20:28

Thank you. Happy to be reported.

unplugmefromthematrix · 14/04/2018 20:36

Anyone who doesn't consider the alternatives is being naive IMO.

There are any number of other players who would benefit from conflict with Russia.

Also after the WMD debacle that triggered the Iraq war, I have no faith in our Govt's ability to analyse the intelliegence it does collect.

Additionally I have little faith that our current government have the same interests and aspirations that ordinary people do and think them collectively both ignorant and arrogant that makes me trust them even less.

That Porton Down were not completely and clearly 'on message' smacks of incompetance or dissent they could not control. Either way, it was 'clumsy' of the govt to allow that to happen.

I think Russia is an inherently complicated and unstable country where factions and in-fighting, and political coups are part of the culture.

Using this nerve agent in this way seems was highly provocative. If it is Russia they must be pretty bloody confident that there will no repercussions - or not of the kind that they really care about. Perhaps losing lives is not their prime concern.

Also as a PP said, to be honest I expected something more professional from Russia than posioning civilans seemingly by accident and apparently not killing the targets. Perhaps murdering-bastards-agent are more incompetent, or cruel, these days.

It deosn't meant they didn't do it, but I like to have some bloody good evidence before believing it and I don't think the govt have provided that.

TwitterQueen1 · 14/04/2018 20:45

Lewji PMSL at you being reported. How very dare you suggest the Ruskies might be spreading disinformation through social media. NEVER! (cough, don't mention the US election).

I'm really struggling to take this thread seriously because of the enormous level of ignorance being displayed. But then that's how the likes of Putin and Trump get to be in the positions they hold now.

GladAllOver · 14/04/2018 20:45

The other suspicious death has gone very quiet. The Russian who was found strangled in his house in New Malden, just a few days after the Salisbury attack. Was that a US conspiracy too?

Lweji · 14/04/2018 20:45

Also as a PP said, to be honest I expected something more professional from Russia than posioning civilans seemingly by accident and apparently not killing the targets. Perhaps murdering-bastards-agent are more incompetent, or cruel, these days.

It deosn't meant they didn't do it, but I like to have some bloody good evidence before believing it and I don't think the govt have provided that.

So, is it competent or incompetent?

It is extremely naive to give more credit to Putin than he deserves. And I'm an old cynic. But I have been keeping attention to the news for a few decades now.

I'll remind you, though, that the Syria attack was because of a chemical weapons attack by Syria supported by Russia.
No, they don't care who they upset.

The US and the UK are being hapless.

I mean, these are the countries that got Trump as President, and got themselves into a huge hole through Brexit.
Trump certainly welcomes a war of distraction now, as did previous presidents before him. However, poisoning an ex-Russian agent wouldn't be enough to do it, nor did Americans care that much.

Lweji · 14/04/2018 20:47

But then that's how the likes of Putin and Trump get to be in the positions they hold now.

Quite.