To wonder if USA are behind Sailsbury attack?

[Adelino]

Perhaps I've been watching too many spy dramas, but to me, Russian nerve agent being used to blatently target ex Russian spy screams of a set up from somewhere.

USA are embarassed by the increasing evidence that Russia was able to influence their democratic election.

Forcing their 'closest ally' to condemn Russia for an attack on British soil (and therefore condemn Russia) seems like a way to bring the world back to seeing America as top dog.

Why such an immediate jump to the obvious answer?

You really believe that the British Government would allow the US to carry out such an attack and allow the British public to be put at such a risk

Right

Or maybe it didn’t happen at all and it’s all been made up

I wonder if those watching Russian TV on Russian websites are laughing at how stupid we are.
Essentially we are all fed a narrative by the country we live in/ language we speak and I think it's not a problem to sometimes question that.
In general I don't consider myself a conspiracy theorist in the slightest. But this one just has me questioning things a bit more.

Ну что.

BarbarianMum

You quote 'mountains of evidence'. Where is this, seriously? I'm guessing you will not respond to this question as you know you've been caught out. Links to the evidence please.

More than likely the UK are behind it, to give flimsy legitimacy to bombing Syria. Once their explanations became so complicated ' intelligence we can't reveal' etc. etc. you know there's something fishy. Also Porton Down is just down the road from Salisbury. Too much of a coincidence. If Russia wanted to kill them, they would have done so, no messing.

Litvinenko was as I remember radiation poisoning, almost certainly from Russia but doesn't leave an irrefutable Russian footprint on it.
There was no doubt about it. The radiation had a precise combination of isotopes generated only in one particular Russian reactor. The two named Russian agents left a trail of radioactivity behind all their movements in the UK including their hotel room. It was in fact even more definite proof than in the present poisoning case.

Ah, that well-known place Sailsbury. The transliteration software is a little out-of-sorts this evening, Dimitry

DaphneduM
Your novels had far more convincing plots than this one.
The two victims were attacked in Salisbury because, strangely enough, that's where he lived.
As for not revealing all the evidence, that is normal practice because you can't reveal your sources to the enemy.
I suggest you stick to romances.

So, a Russian traitor was killed by a Russian nerve agent in an ancient city in England, in a way potentially putting the city residents at risk, requiring a massive clean up operation at cost and disruption to the British public, and you think it is more likely it was done by the USA than by Russia?
I don't buy it myself.

Perhaps I've been watching too many spy dramas

Yup.

Are you writing from Moscow OP

Oh course Putin could have had anyone killed in a much more straightforward way

But that wouldn’t have sent the same message to the UK government, to those who have crossed him, to the whole world would it of what he is prepared to do

Why would Russia use Novichock when it so clearly points back to them?

Because they wanted people to know it was them? And they knew they could just deny it and blame it on the US and stupid people would believe them?

Hey look! The Russian hairy handed ones are back. We haven't had one of those since claig or whatever the name was.

I was speaking about conspiracy theorists in general userputinapologist12345whatever rather than specifically about this case. But in this case we have
Another enemy of the Russian state attacked with Russian nerve agent just before Russian election.

Could it be:
-Donald Trump? No.
-Theresa May? No.
-Rosemary the telephone operator? No.
-Vladamir the mild mannered Russian President? Could be.

I miss Claig. She was comedy gold.

This government is comprised almost exclusively of dimwits and incompetents. They can’t run a bath, let alone a conspiracy. Do you seriously believe Boris, Theresa and friends have orchestrated this and managed to keep it quiet?!
Perhaps they just pretend to be almighty fuckwits to throw us all off the scent.....

I miss Claig. She was comedy gold

I totally understand the outrage caused by a nerve agent being used in a public place, but I don't understand why we should be surprised about it being used on Mr Skripal.
He was a Russian double agent (ie. a traitor) and probably has a slightly dubious career portfolio. Why is the press and parliament portraying him as a victim?

I just think USA and Russia are in a hugely destructive web of lies and propoganda and the UK is ripe to be used for either country's cause.
I really don't think the UK government would have allowed it. But I also don't think they are in any position to stand up to the USA had it been them.

BarbarianMum

I thought as much. You are unable to provide any evidence whatsoever apart from what you have read in the Daily Fail. You refer to the enemy of the Russian state. Is this the same individual who was imprisoned by the same state who could have bumped him off at any time? Why could it not be Donald trump?

Why could it not be Theresa May?

Why could it not be Rosemary the telephone operator?

You specifically referred to 'Mountains of Evidence' yet as suspected all you can do is quote the Daily Fail. How embarrassing.

BarbarianMum

What evidence do you have that an enemy of the Russian state was attacked with a Russian nerve agent? I've read the papers, I've watched Sky News, are you saying that this is the evidence?

You really believe that the British Government would allow the US to carry out such an attack and allow the British public to be put at such a risk

You really believe the British Government give 2 shits about the public? Look at the murders in London, failing NHS, disabled people, old people in this country. They don't give a shit about them!

OP I agree. What motive would Putin have do it? To sabotage his own world cup and election?
a) To "send a message" - this theory would work if anyone in Russia actually believed it was him. They don't.
b) Because the guy had to be killed - then why not get some drive-by moped to stab him? "Accidentally" hang him in prison? Why like this?

Also, no-one's seen the Skripals since, no-one has even seen them exit the hospital, the family aren't allowed visas to visit. The statements from them have been via a 3rd party. They could be dead or sipping cocktails in the Bahamas for all we know. At least with Litvinenko there were daily hospital-bed video updates.

What motive would the UK/USA have?
a) Distract from other things like Brexit, Saudis visiting, London murders
b) Give a great pretext to go into Syria, sell weapons to various rebel groups, raise defense budget.

Just because I think it’s possible the USA may have had something to do with it does not mean I think the British government knew anything about it.

You don't seem very familiar with the number of ex Russian agents (et al) that have fallen down windows/stairs, killed and locked themselves in car booths, got poisoned or disappeared.

I'm sure Putin had nothing to do with those.

US and UK agents seem to have a much higher life expectancy.