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We stand at a tipping point: do we fire up the popcorn maker or start digging a fallout shelter in the garden? (Trump cont)

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boatyardblues · 10/04/2018 22:01

Old thread here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3207431-When-a-nation-s-children-marched-and-their-President-ignored-them-Trump-cont

I’m all out of inspiration for the rest of this opening post. Send the St Bernard with the brandy please.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 24/04/2018 05:08

Not that it will make the ablindest bit of difference but using a personal (presumably unsecure?) phone may be more of a risk than say, the whole emails saga?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 24/04/2018 06:20

Racism

Brian Krassenstein 🐬
@krassenstein
No, this is NOT a colorized photo from Nazi Germany in 1939.

This is a photo taken in Draketown, Georgia, USA this last weekend.

This is what I will continue to Fight against! This is not America!

And

First protected DREAMer is deported under Trump
www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/04/18/first-protected-dreamer-deported-under-trump/100583274/

[this happened last week - apologies if I've missed it on this thread]

And

HOW THE BORDER PATROL FAKED STATISTICS SHOWING A 73 PERCENT RISE IN ASSAULTS AGAINST AGENTS
theintercept.com/2018/04/23/border-patrol-agents-assaulted-cbp-fbi/

LAST NOVEMBER, REPORTS that a pair of U.S. Border Patrol agents had been attacked with rocks at a desolate spot in West Texas made news around the country. The agents were found injured and unconscious at the bottom of a culvert off Interstate 10. Agent Rogelio Martinez soon died from his injuries. Early reports in right-wing media outlets such as Breitbart suggested that the perpetrators were undocumented immigrants, and President Donald Trump quickly embraced the narrative to bolster his campaign for a border wall.

To people familiar with the harsh terrain and the habits of undocumented border crossers, however, the news made little sense. Why would immigrants seeking entry to the U.S. hang out in the middle of nowhere, miles from the border, waiting to randomly attack law enforcement officers?

It was four months before the FBI concluded its investigation and determined that the most likely cause of Martinez’s death was an accidental fall. Meanwhile, media outlets across the political spectrum repeated statistics showing a sharp upward trend in the number of assaults against Border Patrol agents even as the number of undocumented immigrants apprehended while crossing the southern border has dropped.

And

Post Opinions
@PostOpinions
Some southern states are observing Confederate Memorial Day today. Activist @BreeNewsome says debates about honoring Southern heritage are really about justifying systemic racism.
www.washingtonpost.com/video/editorial/bree-newsome-confederate-monuments-symbolize-slavery-and-systemic-racism/2017/08/18/2e929ff0-8397-11e7-9e7a-20fa8d7a0db6_video.html

rolandsmartin
@rolandsmartin
Today in Alabama is White Domestic Terrorist Day. They call it Confederate Memorial Day. This means all kids are out of school on a day to celebrate folks who wanted to keep Black people enslaved. Imagine Jews being forced to recognize Adolf Hitler Day. SAME THING.

Bree Newsome
@BreeNewsome
More Bree Newsome Retweeted rolandsmartin
The USA never resolved the central issue of the Civil War: SLAVERY. That's why we are where we are in 2018

And

Ben Norton
@BenjaminNorton
The suspected Waffle House shooter, Travis Reinking, is part of the right-wing extremist "sovereign citizen" movement.

Yet another violent right-wing extremist whose attack is being depoliticized and instead blamed on mental illness

www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/04/22/waffle-house-suspect-travis-reinking-sovereign-citizen/540543002/

Also

NewsChannel 5
@NC5
BREAKING: @MNPDNashville has released Travis Reinking's mugshot. He is being held on a $2 million bond.

VOTE!
@darden216
Replying to @NC5 @MNPDNashville
A 2 million dollar bond? You have to be kidding that means he can be out with 10% of that paid which is $200,000, the right bondsmen and a decent house and cash as collateral this murderer could be out by the end of the week! He has a prior with the FBI also, no way in hell.

king crissle
@crissles
Imagine one of us killing four white people and still getting bond.

And

Judd Legum
@JuddLegum
Alabama cops tackle, arrest black woman in Waffle House because she said "fuck"

"I'll break your arm"

goo.gl/3idqPf

LaToya Morgan
@MorganicInk
To be clear: The police pushed her to the ground, inadvertently exposed her breasts, put their hands around her throat and threatened to break her arm before cuffing her. All for asking for a plastic fork in a restaurant.

And

Eugene Gu, MD
@eugenegu
A tale of 2 Waffle Houses:

In Tennessee, an unarmed black man, James Shaw, disarmed a white domestic terrorist who murdered 4 people of color.

In Alabama, a black woman, Chikesia Clemons, was brutally arrested for complaining about being charged for a plastic spoon.

Same day.

And

Golf club apologizes for calling cops on black women members
apnews.com/95e02521b2884a2abd1470fd9b6fecbb

A golf club in Pennsylvania has apologized for calling police on a group of black women after the co-owner and his father said they were playing too slowly and refused requests to leave the course.

And

ProPublica
@ProPublica
1/ NEW: Under Obama, the Department of Education was looking into racial discrimination and discipline in a central Texas school district.

Then Betsy DeVos took over, and the probe was killed. Our investigation:
www.propublica.org/article/shutdown-of-bryan-texas-schools-probe-shows-trump-administration-pullback-on-civil-rights

And

False anti-Muslim news from Bolton’s nonprofit amplified by Russian troll factory: Report
www.msnbc.com/velshi-ruhle/watch/false-anti-muslim-news-from-bolton-s-nonprofit-amplified-by-russian-troll-factory-report-1217215043609

And

They spewed hate. Then they punctuated it with the president’s name.
www.pri.org/stories/2018-04-20/they-spewed-hate-then-they-punctuated-it-president-s-name

And

Amy Siskind
@Amy_Siskind
This regime is cruel and evil:
“The Trump administration says Native Americans might need to get a job if they want to keep their health care — a policy that tribal leaders say will threaten access to care and reverse centuries-old protections.”
www.politico.com/story/2018/04/22/trump-native-americans-historical-standing-492794

We stand at a tipping point: do we fire up the popcorn maker or start digging a fallout shelter in the garden? (Trump cont)
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 24/04/2018 06:25

Ijeoma Oluo
@IjeomaOluo
White people r surprised when they ask me what I thought of the Starbucks arrest & I say "not much"

I say "not much" bc I can check in w any group of black ppl I know & find a black friend who was abused or threatened by white supremacy on any given day

If you think the problem is Starbucks, or Waffle House, you are wrong.

The problem is this society.

We are being brutalized because White America is told to fear us simply for existing in our skin

but it's not only that.

We are being brutalized because White America thinks so little of our worth, and so highly of their own worth, that if we become even a mild inconvenience, it is seen as justified to insult, demean, abuse, and even kill us.

The person who called the police at The Waffle House did not fear for their safety because a black woman asked to speak to the manager

The woman who called the police at Starbucks did not fear for her safety because two black men asked to use the bathroom.

They were inconvenienced.

They were insulted by the idea that we would expect any level of service from them.

They were annoyed that we would be so uppity as to think we deserved some of their time.

Like a fly buzzing around their heads they used the police to swat us away

They did this knowing they would get away with it, even if, after the luck of video recording & viral outrage, these two employees are unlikely to get away with it this one time.

They've gotten away with it in the past. They would have this time without video.

They aren't alone

This is not how you treat human beings.

The way we are being treated in restaurants, coffee shops, schools, courts...this is not how you treat people.

Cops threatening to break our arms for asking why we are being handcuffed...this is not how you treat human beings.

And if time & time again we are not treated like human beings the moment we become an inconvenience for White society then the only conclusion to draw is that White society does not see us as human beings.

And that, that is not a Waffle House problem, or a Starbucks problem

And this is not a matter of loving or liking black people. I've seen that switch go off in the eyes of white people who have acted with love for me for years until the day I inconvenienced them. I'm not alone in this.

Interview these people calling police to have black people brutalized for inconveniencing them. Ask them what they think of black people.

Watch them list their black friends, black relatives, black lovers.

This idea that you can love black people while not seeing them is fully human is reinforced in all of our society.

We can be funny sidekicks without any consideration toward our own stories.

We can be a teaching lesson for a white person on a journey of personal growth.

We can be a sad tale for politicians to drum up money for "inner cities" that will never actually benefit us.

We can be the "achievement gap" to force schools into over-disciplining our students to weed out the "problems" that get in the way of better test scores

We can be the tales of strength in the face of brutality to inspire a white woman to ask for that raise.

We can be the tales of smiles in the face of pain to inspire a white person to get through a rough day.

We can be the face of "diversity" ads aimed at letting white liberals know that your business is a good place to spend your white guilt while your managers refuse to hire us and your servers refuse to serve us.

We can be the campaign stop you make every two to four years when you are told that your candidacy is in need of rejuvenation

We can be the anecdote in your bestselling books about your triumph.

Our brutalized, lifeless bodies can be your anguished tears that makes you feel like you are actually doing something

And in none of this will someone come up to you and tell you that it is not okay.

Nobody will provide you with a fine for your abuses.

Nobody will provide you with a bill for services rendered.

Every aspect of our society will tell you that THIS IS WHAT WE EXIST FOR.

So if you are outraged by this. Shocked by this. I don't want to hear a single goddamn word about it.

What are you doing?

What are you doing FOR us?

What are you doing that we can actually take to the bank?

Your "sorry," your tears, your outrage - those are for you.

We are human beings, and even in your grief over our brutalization you can't think of us first.

Start thinking of us first. Start doing the hard shit. And if it won't have a measurable impact on my life or the lives of those in my community I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 24/04/2018 06:30

But yes, Trump supporters, it is you who should feel "concerned about your place in the world" Hmm which incidentally is a pretty crap and oblique way of saying "racist". Bernie, please take note and stop insisting it was economic disadvantage that drove Trump and not racism.

People Voted for Trump Because They Were Anxious, Not Poor
A new study finds that Trump voters weren’t losing income or jobs. Instead, they were concerned about their place in the world.

www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/04/existential-anxiety-not-poverty-motivates-trump-support/558674/

After analyzing in-depth survey data from 2012 and 2016, the University of Pennsylvania political scientist Diana C. Mutz argues that it’s the latter. In a new article in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, she added her conclusion to the growing body of evidence that the 2016 election was not about economic hardship.

“Instead,” she writes, “it was about dominant groups that felt threatened by change and a candidate who took advantage of that trend.”

“For the first time since Europeans arrived in this country,” Mutz notes, “white Americans are being told that they will soon be a minority race.” When members of a historically dominant group feel threatened, she explains, they go through some interesting psychological twists and turns to make themselves feel okay again. First, they get nostalgic and try to protect the status quo however they can. They defend their own group (“all lives matter”), they start behaving in more traditional ways, and they start to feel more negatively toward other groups.

This could be why in one study, whites who were presented with evidence of racial progress experienced lower self-esteem afterward. In another study, reminding whites who were high in “ethnic identification” that nonwhite groups will soon outnumber them revved up their support for Trump, their desire for anti-immigrant policies, and their opposition to political correctness.

Mutz also found that “half of Americans view trade as something that benefits job availability in other countries at the expense of jobs for Americans.”

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 24/04/2018 06:44

GOP candidates are now mimicking Trump’s authoritarianism. That’s ominous.
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/04/23/multiple-gop-candidates-are-now-mimicking-trumps-authoritarianism/

And

Nick Confessore
@nickconfessore
Unknown parties alleged to be Quatari hackers have recently been sharing with reporters the personal e-mails of the RNC's now-former deputy finance chair, likely in an effort to shape our Gulf policy.
I do not see much ethical handwringing about it from liberals on Twitter.

Leah McElrath
@leahmcelrath
Replying to @nickconfessore
That’s a different ethical dilemma.

A foreign adversary committing hacking and espionage and turning over materials to reporters in its effort to influence a US presidential election is a subversion of the foundation of our democracy.

Nick Confessore
@nickconfessore
I see your point, but I think it involves the same ethical issue. In both cases, someone is trying to shape American policy by stealing private documents and putting them in the public sphere.
And yes, I mispelled Qatari.

Leah McElrath
@leahmcelrath
Again though, Nick, attempting to influence policy is one thing.

The legitimacy of our entire federal government rests on the integrity of the electoral system. It’s a dilemma of an entirely different scale and import.

But enough about 2016.

I'm more interested in the future. This tactic will be used again and likely in a more insidious and hard-to-detect ways.

What has the NYT put in place in terms of policy for how to handle future active measures by foreign adversaries aimed at press?

Sarah Kendzior
@sarahkendzior
More Sarah Kendzior Retweeted Leah McElrath
I'd like to see the NYT answer this question too. Maybe the public editor will take it on. Oh wait...🤔

Rep. Eric Swalwell
@RepSwalwell
More Rep. Eric Swalwell Retweeted Nick Confessore
Sadly, election-season hacking is underway. Democrats have asked @HouseGOP to join us in agreeing to not use any hacked materials against an opponent in campaign ads. They refuse. That’s just wrong and emboldens interference campaigns.

And

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
The Treasury Department has softened its position on sanctions against Russian metals giant Rusal—Oleg Deripaska’s company—giving it a 6-month reprieve while considering the company's appeal.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-23/u-s-says-it-would-drop-rusal-sanctions-if-deripaska-sells

Natasha Bertrand
@NatashaBertrand
More Natasha Bertrand Retweeted Kyle Griffin
Full press release here: home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm0365

And

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
Sarah Sanders doesn’t rule out a possible Trump pardon of Michael Cohen: "It's hard to close the door on something that hasn't taken place."

And

One individual who's worked closely with Michael Cohen for 10 years tells NBC News: "Michael might believe he won't flip on the president but he will.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-michael-cohen-won-t-flip-those-close-him-n868046

And

Zoe Tillman
@ZoeTillman
Latest in the George Papadopoulos case: Special counsel's office has asked to file a status report in another month (update was due today)
Recall that last week Papadopoulos' lawyers put out a statement saying he was still cooperating with Mueller's office (in response to being named as a defendant in the DNC's RICO lawsuit) www.buzzfeed.com/zoetillman/dnc-trump-russia-lawsuit

Judge granted the special counsel's office request for another month before they file an update on the status of George Papadopolous' case (sentencing has been delayed while he cooperates)

Renato Mariotti
@renato_mariotti
More Renato Mariotti Retweeted Zoe Tillman
It’s common for the criminal cases of cooperators to be delayed until their cooperation is complete. That way the judge can take into account everything they do to cooperate—and they can lose cooperation credit if they back out or don’t live up to the deal.

And

🇺🇸MFLYNNJR 🇺🇸
@mflynnJR
American Patriot @GenFlynn did not lie to Pence (or anyone else in the admin) about his perfectly legal and appropriate conversations w Russian AMB Kislyak in Dec 2016.

Why would a highly decorated military intel officer lie about something legal?

Been a MSM lie from day 1

🇺🇸MFLYNNJR 🇺🇸

‏Renato Mariotti
@renato_mariotti
More Renato Mariotti Retweeted 🇺🇸MFLYNNJR 🇺🇸
But when he pleaded guilty, your father admitted under oath that he lied to the FBI about his conversations with Russian Ambassador Kislyak.

@mflynnJR
More 🇺🇸MFLYNNJR 🇺🇸 Retweeted Renato Mariotti
Is it not possible he just plead guilty because of the financial burden it created and is creating on our family??

Renato Mariotti
@renato_mariotti
More Renato Mariotti Retweeted 🇺🇸MFLYNNJR 🇺🇸
So you believe your father lied under oath to a federal judge? He admitted under oath that he lied to the FBI. He also provided Mueller with information and agreed to cooperate in exchange for benefits under the plea agreement. Do you believe he lied to Mueller too?

Also

Natasha Bertrand
@NatashaBertrand
More Natasha Bertrand Retweeted 🇺🇸MFLYNNJR 🇺🇸
If Flynn didn't lie to Pence, why did Pence say publicly that sanctions weren't discussed? And, if no lie to Pence, why did Trump fire him? Was it because Flynn lied to the FBI (which he's since pleaded guilty to)? Did Trump know that Flynn lied to the FBI? When did he find out?

among other things, Flynn Jr. seems to be implying here that Pence is the liar.

www.cbsnews.com/news/pence-i-knew-flynn-lied-to-me-about-russian-contacts-when-he-was-fired/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 24/04/2018 06:45

Kushner Companies, reeling from a cash hemorrhage at 666 Fifth Ave. and facing multiple governmental investigations, has offered $250 million to buy out an entire luxury co-op building on Park Avenue.

nypost.com/2018/04/22/kushner-companies-offers-250m-for-park-ave-co-op/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 24/04/2018 06:47

Bill Browder
@billbrowder
Perfect description on how to fight Putin’s mafia by Mikhail Khodorkovsky: Go after the assets of the top 100 people in Putin’s inner circle (and their 1000 accomplices) by using the Magnitsky Act

How to Stop Vladimir Putin’s Mafia
The real enemy is a group of about 100 beneficiaries of the regime and several thousand accomplices.
www.wsj.com/articles/how-to-stop-vladimir-putins-mafia-1524421182

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 24/04/2018 06:49

[standard language disclaimer]

Lucian Kim
@Lucian_Kim
Scoop: Russia to give S-300 anti-aircraft systems to Syria for free, speeding up their delivery to hinder future US-led missile strikes.
www.kommersant.ru/doc/3612197

lionheart · 24/04/2018 06:49

Other kind of doc.

Steve Dorsey

Verified account

@steve_dorsey

Just In: 2 sources confirm to @nancycordes and @edokeefe Sen Vet Affairs Comm is reviewing allegations against Ronny Jackson which include a hostile work environment, excessive drinking on the job and improperly dispensing meds.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 24/04/2018 06:51

Manu Raju
@mkraju
Republicans and Dems both concerned about new allegations of misconduct involving Ronny Jackson, and are investigating them to determine if they’re true and could derail his nomination. Dems met privately tonight, as hearing may now be delayed. Our story:

edition.cnn.com/2018/04/23/politics/ronny-jackson-veterans-affairs-nomination/index.html

And

Steve Dorsey
‏*@steve*_dorsey
Just In: 2 sources confirm to @nancycordes and @edokeefe Sen Vet Affairs Comm is reviewing allegations against Ronny Jackson which include a hostile work environment, excessive drinking on the job and improperly dispensing meds.

.@nancycordes reports the top dem on committee Jon Tester (MT) asked Chairman Johnny Isakson (R-GA) to postpone Wednesday’s hearing in light of this new information

lionheart · 24/04/2018 08:13

Rapture.

tytnetwork.com/2018/04/23/pompeo-discussed-rapture-at-cia/

'Pompeo has not publicly tied his belief in the Rapture to U.S. policy, but he allegedly has brought Rapture theology into the CIA. Michael Weinstein, founder of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation—a watchdog group on issues of religious freedom in the military and intelligence community—told TYT that Pompeo has talked about the Rapture at the CIA during his tenure as director there.'

Roussette · 24/04/2018 08:14

www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/02/03/513256171/is-trump-tweeting-from-a-secure-smartphone-the-white-house-wont-say

"Donald Trump for the longest time has been using a insecure Android phone that by all reports is so easy to compromise, it would not meet the security requirements of a teenager," says Nicholas Weaver, a computer scientist at the University of California at Berkeley.

Avi Rubin, a professor of computer science at Johns Hopkins University, says: "If President Trump is carrying around an unsecured Android phone, that's 1,000 times worse than using a personal email server."

Roussette · 24/04/2018 08:16

edition.cnn.com/2018/04/23/politics/ronny-jackson-veterans-affairs-nomination/index.html

Maybe Dr. Ronny won't happen then. Perhaps he isn't crooked ENOUGH?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 24/04/2018 08:24

An easier read on flynn jr/pence

Did Michael Flynn Jr. just reveal something very, very important about the Russia investigation?

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/04/23/politics/michael-flynn-jr-donald-trump/index.html

Roussette · 24/04/2018 09:04

@HoarseWisperer
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CBS News reporting that Trump’s joke of a doctor, Ronny Jackson, is under investigation for drinking on the job and doling out meds improperly.

Well, the drinking might explain the press conference where he described Trump like a young Michael Phelps.

6:38 PM - 23 Apr 2018

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 24/04/2018 10:55

Alexander Kogan being interviewed by the fake news committee today. I can't watch it but for any that are able to/fancy it:

MPs continue fake news inquiry
www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-parliaments-43868850

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 24/04/2018 13:44

Carole Cadwalladr
‏**@carolecadwalla**
Uh oh. Things not looking good for Facebook. @commons_cms hearing with Alex Kogan (who harvested data for Cambridge Analytica) now live. @DamianCollins: "I don't think Facebook have been clear with us about what they do with users' data..."
Kogan on his research collaboration with Facebook: "Facebook just gave us the data. There was no kind of written agreement. They just gave it us."
Alex Kogan explaining why he changed his name to Dr Spectre. "Were you aware it was also the name of the evil organisation in James Bond?" asks @IanCLucas. "No sir, I did not. It was an unfortunate coincidence."
Alex Kogan has no knowledge of this address, apparently. "The same address used by multiple shell companies who money launder for Russian oligarchs," points out @IanCLucas www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/19/offshore-central-london-curious-case-29-harley-street
@DamianCollins to Alex Kogan: "Alexander Nix told us he received no data from GSR." Kogan: "That's total fabrication." "He lied?" "He lied."
Do you accept you broke Facebook's terms & conditions? "I do not. I would accept that my behaviour was inconsistent with the language of these documents." Glad we cleared that one up.
Kogan: Mr Wylie is "duplicitous" "he invents many things" "he did not honour his agreement".
Kogan: "I can't answer that because I have an NDA with Facebook." .@JoStevensLabour "Why do you have an NDA with Facebook." Kogan: "You'll have to ask Facebook that."
"Why did Facebook criticise you so harshly but not your co-founder who works for Facebook?" "Ask Facebook." In almost 10 hours of hearing, not one senator or congressman asked Zuckerberg this question....
Kogan being deliberately obtuse? He refuses to answer qs to parliament because of Facebook NDA. "I know you have parliamentary privilege," he says but it doesn't "stretch across the Atlantic". Um. Not how it works. Now he's saying that the work he did for SCL was "worthless"..
Now he's saying that it was his idea to invent a quiz to gather data. Um. Or one he copied off his colleague, @david_stillwell?
Also:

Paul-Olivier Dehaye
‏*@podehaye*
Kogan is lying in that the app was very valuable at the time of working with SCL, since it was grandfathered into old Facebook rules granting access to friends' data.

David Carroll 🦅
‏*@profcarroll*
Collins asks about St Petersburg University appointment. Kogan says he gave talks. His name got put on grants he couldn’t read because in Russian. Overlapping in time period with SCL work. Possible that data could’ve been hacked? “Ridiculous,” he says.

Carole Cadwalladr
@carolecadwalla
.@DamianCollins "The Russian govt was paying you to research cyberbullying...it does make you wonder why they might be interested in that..." Kogan: "The US and UK interfere in foreign elections too." Er...

Lweji · 24/04/2018 13:48

"If President Trump is carrying around an unsecured Android phone, that's 1,000 times worse than using a personal email server."

Not to mention using Twitter to make important policy declaratio

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 24/04/2018 13:59

Sean Hannity's real estate venture linked to fraudulent property dealer

Shell company tied to the Fox News host bought homes through Jeff Brock, who was charged in 2016 with fraud and conspiracy for his role in a scheme to rig auctions on foreclosed properties
www.theguardian.com/media/2018/apr/24/sean-hannity-real-estate-property-dealer-jeff-brock-fraud-foreclosures

Lweji · 24/04/2018 14:05

From the Salon article.

But Trump will be a role model for some people, and there may well be violence over it.

Fully agree with this. It's not going to end easily at all. Either if Trump is removed forcefully or if he leaves at the end of two terms (leaving a less than democratic status quo).

cozietoesie · 24/04/2018 14:47

I can't imagine that the IC - for reasons of professional mumble if nothing else - would allow 45 to operate on a dodgy phone link. I reckon it's highly protected.

After all - there must be umpty people trying to hack it. And it doesn't appear to have been hacked so far.