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We stand at a tipping point: do we fire up the popcorn maker or start digging a fallout shelter in the garden? (Trump cont)

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boatyardblues · 10/04/2018 22:01

Old thread here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3207431-When-a-nation-s-children-marched-and-their-President-ignored-them-Trump-cont

I’m all out of inspiration for the rest of this opening post. Send the St Bernard with the brandy please.

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Sleipnirthewonderhorse · 21/04/2018 17:48

Trump at his most presidential. Judging by the comments below the tweet, he tweeted this entire rant with a misspelled name, deleted it, and then typed it out all over again.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
The New York Times and a third rate reporter named Maggie Haberman, known as a Crooked H flunkie who I don’t speak to and have nothing to do with, are going out of their way to destroy Michael Cohen and his relationship with me in the hope that he will “flip.” They use....
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Donald J. Trump
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....non-existent “sources” and a drunk/drugged up loser who hates Michael, a fine person with a wonderful family. Michael is a businessman for his own account/lawyer who I have always liked & respected. Most people will flip if the Government lets them out of trouble, even if...
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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....it means lying or making up stories. Sorry, I don’t see Michael doing that despite the horrible Witch Hunt and the dishonest media!

mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/987679848284999680

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/04/2018 18:01

Oliver Willis
@owillis
He'll say all this about Haberman today and then tomorrow they smile and giggle together, she pitches him a softball, he lies, and she gets a front page piece in the Times.

This is Hogan and Andre the Giant "feuding" before WrestleMania as they go out drinking together.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/04/2018 18:03

TRUMP FUNDRAISER OFFERED RUSSIAN GAS COMPANY PLAN TO GET SANCTIONS LIFTED FOR $26 MILLION

theintercept.com/2018/04/20/elliott-broidy-trump-russia-sanctions/

Sleipnirthewonderhorse · 21/04/2018 18:52

This is Hogan and Andre the Giant "feuding" before WrestleMania as they go out drinking together.

Really? In which case, again, how tremendously presidential

lionheart · 21/04/2018 19:12

Wow, Pain.

lionheart · 21/04/2018 19:46

www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/04/21/robert-mueller-russia-probe-protection-218065

'Fortunately, while he retains his position, Mueller has a powerful tool at his disposal: The “sealed” or secret indictment. If Mueller indeed determines that he has a strong case against Trump, a secret indictment returned by a grand jury will help protect the integrity of his investigation even if he is fired, while also avoiding the risk of provoking Trump to try to further impede the probe.'

SheGotBetteDavisEyes · 21/04/2018 20:16

What with the talk about how certain he is that Cohen won't flip, isn't Trump forgetting that he's supposed to Not Act Guilty Via Twitter?

Cohen hasn't even faced charges yet.

Lweji · 21/04/2018 20:39

Just leaving this here.

We stand at a tipping point: do we fire up the popcorn maker or start digging a fallout shelter in the garden? (Trump cont)
lionheart · 21/04/2018 21:27
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lionheart · 21/04/2018 21:31

Donald J. Trump

Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
5h5 hours ago

Heading to the Southern White House to watch the Funeral Service of Barbara Bush. First Lady Melania has arrived in Houston to pay our respects. Will be a beautiful day!

Donald J. Trump
Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
2h2 hours ago

So funny, the Democrats have sued the Republicans for Winning. Now he R’s counter and force them to turn over a treasure trove of material, including Servers and Emails!

Donald J. Trump
Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
1h1 hour ago

James Comey’s Memos are Classified, I did not Declassify them. They belong to our Government! Therefore, he broke the law! Additionally, he totally made up many of the things he said I said, and he is already a proven liar and leaker. Where are Memos on Clinton, Lynch & others?

Donald J. Trump
Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
17m17 minutes ago

The Washington Post said I refer to Jeff Sessions as “Mr. Magoo” and Rod Rosenstein as “Mr. Peepers.” This is “according to people with whom the president has spoken.” There are no such people and don’t know these characters...just more Fake & Disgusting News to create ill will!

boatyardblues · 21/04/2018 21:49

The Washington Post said I refer to Jeff Sessions as “Mr. Magoo” and Rod Rosenstein as “Mr. Peepers.” This is “according to people with whom the president has spoken.” There are no such people and don’t know these characters...just more Fake & Disgusting News to create ill will!

  1. It is totally believable Trump did actually do this because shit slinging and using stupid nicknames is part of his MO, as seen in earlier Trump tweets.
  2. I wouldn’t put it past him to be using this “denial” as a sneaky, backhanded way to spread nicknames he does actually use to his wider base whilst decrying such an appalling slur.

It’s a telling reflection of the moral abyss he occupies that I would even think that about a sitting US president.

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CrustyCob · 21/04/2018 21:57

I'm starting to eye up the popcorn.
Even "rocket man" appears sensible by comparison.
Loving the posters and cartoon.

boatyardblues · 21/04/2018 23:13

I don’t fancy popcorn for the bunker. I plan to stock up on canned rice pudding - it is nice eaten cold straight from the can, filling and packed with energy. I will add some of the Ambrosia raisin and nutmeg version to my stash for variety.

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CrustyCob · 21/04/2018 23:30

I've been thinking about the proposed Kim Jong-un meeting with Trump.
www.nytimes.com/2018/04/21/us/politics/trump-north-korea.html

Where the hell will that end up?

cozietoesie · 22/04/2018 00:32

If it takes place - and that's a big 'If' - I imagine it will be either the DMZ or Beijing.

cozietoesie · 22/04/2018 00:41

Of the two, I'd favour Beijing. They showed 45 a very good time when he was there - so he has positive thoughts about them - and to have a (powerful) third party present would help either camp. (And 45 could do some 'side-negotiating' at the same time. Heck, so could KJU. Wink)

AcrossthePond55 · 22/04/2018 00:45

Donald J. Trump

Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
5h5 hours ago

Heading to the Southern White House to watch the Funeral Service of Barbara Bush. First Lady Melania has arrived in Houston to pay our respects. Will be a beautiful day!

Good God! This man has absolutely NO sense of occasion, does he? Who refers to a funeral being held by saying "Will be a beautiful day!"? A sombre day or sad day, sure. Perhaps "it will be nice weather for such a sad occasion". But to refer to the weather as if you were going to a picnic? No wonder he mumbles so, he can't pronounce correctly with that (probably very small) foot in his mouth!

cozietoesie · 22/04/2018 01:12

Mr Colbert has the floor.

cozietoesie · 22/04/2018 01:38

I didn't know this about Missouri.

lionheart · 22/04/2018 08:36

www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2018/04/21/colin-kaepernick-police-killings-protest/539240002/

'In his acceptance speech for the Ambassador of Conscience Award at the Amnesty International ceremony in Amsterdam on Saturday, former NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick described police killings of African Americans and Latinos in the U.S. as "lawful lynchings."'

WhatdoImean · 22/04/2018 08:40

Hi all.

Latest interpretations of the Stormy Daniels story, along with what it means to the (very likely) prosecution of Trump's lawyer, Cohen.

My favourite extract from the comments (for reference, the "Prenda" case was a legendary legal case where a lawyer thought he was SOOOOO smart... but wasn't):-

"I would give the same advice to Cohen that I would have given the Prenda folks a few years back: It's time to face reality. Fuck the media. Fuck this law suit. Fuck you bar license. It's all gone. Our focus now needs to be keeping you out of jail. That's it. That's your new life. Every day you wake up and you aren't in jail, is a day we win. And maybe we can keep you out of bankruptcy too. If we are really lucky.

So, take the fifth, stfu, and figure out how you are going to handle the federal prosecution. I bet his lawyers have told him precisely that. We will see if he listens better than the Prenda folks did"

www.popehat.com/2018/04/20/michael-cohens-motion-to-stay-the-stormy-daniels-case-deferred-cohens-situation-pronounced-ominous/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/04/2018 08:47

Racism

ICE has detained or deported prominent immigration activists
www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/ice-has-detained-or-deported-foreigners-who-are-also-immigration-activists/2018/01/19/377af23a-fc95-11e7-a46b-a3614530bd87_story.html

And

ACLU
@ACLU
New data shows the Trump administration has separated more than 700 children from their parents since October, including more than 100 children under the age of 4.

This is why we filed a class action lawsuit. This is why we won’t stop fighting.

The administration wants to say these stories are one-offs, but remember this:

Officials presented Trump with a list of proposals, including the plan to routinely separate immigrant adults from their children. He said to move forward.

This cruelty comes from the top.

Hundreds of Immigrant Children Have Been Taken From Parents at U.S. Border
www.nytimes.com/2018/04/20/us/immigrant-children-separation-ice.html

And

Upstate NY farmer says ICE officers stormed his farm without a warrant, cuffed him, threw his phone
www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2018/04/upstate_ny_farmer_says_ice_officers_stormed_his_farm_without_a_warrant_cuffed_hi.html

Melissa McEwan
@Shakestweetz
"Then the men told Collins they were officers with Immigration & Customs Enforcement. He asked them for a warrant or some paperwork to explain what they were doing. They had none, he said." ICE acting w/o warrants, even tho they are required to have them.
I hope we all appreciate the bitter fucking irony of ICE enacting raids and arresting people while lacking the paperwork to legally do so.

And

Video Shows Cops Tackling and Punching Black Harvard Student in Violent Arrest
splinternews.com/video-shows-cops-tackling-and-punching-black-harvard-st-1825317655

And

Matt Cameron 🗽
@matt_cam
BREAKING: Trump DHS has formally directed Citizenship and Immigration Services to remove all instances of "thank you" & "we regret to inform you" from denials of #immigration apps.

Not the most important immigration news happening today, but just thought you'd like to know.

This minor cosmetic change (much like removing the phrase "nation of immigrants" from the @USCIS mission statement a couple of months ago) is being carried out for no other apparent purpose than making our nation less welcoming.
edition.cnn.com/2018/02/22/politics/uscis-mission-statement/index.html

And

Right-Wing Extremists Guilty In Terror Plot Against Muslim Refugees
Attorneys argued the Trump-backing trio were radicalized by “chaos news,” and wrongfully targeted by the feds for “locker room talk.”
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trump-muslim-militia-terror-plot-kansas_us_5ad78882e4b029ebe0207801

And

Daniel Dale
@ddale8
After a false early report that the Quebec City mosque massacre was co-perpetrated by a man with a Muslim name, Ben Shapiro mockingly tweeted, “It’s the damn Mormons again.” In fact, prosecutors allege, the killer was a white Ben Shapiro fan.
twitter.com/ddale8/status/985952797421023233

And

Qasim Rashid, Esq.
@MuslimIQ
White Supremacist Nicholas Wesley Rose, 26, found in possession of .22 ammunition and "kill lists" of prominent members in the Jewish community.

This is terrorism by a white American male—yet total silence from the WH.
#WhereWasHeRadicalized?

Irvine Man Charged With Hate Crimes After ‘Kill Lists’ of Jewish Community Members, Anti-Semitic Literature Found in His Home
ktla.com/2018/04/19/irvine-man-charged-with-hate-crimes-after-kill-lists-of-jewish-community-members-anti-semitic-literature-found-in-his-home/

And

State And Local Republican Officials Have Been Bashing Muslims. We Counted.
A BuzzFeed News analysis found that Republican officials in 49 states have openly attacked Muslims with words and proposed legislation since 2015, and few have faced repercussions.
www.buzzfeed.com/hannahallam/trump-republicans-bashing-muslims-without-repercussions?utm_term=.sinVeEDxQ#.hkoWqE2pY

And

Tennessee lawmakers punish Memphis for removing statues
apnews.com/17ec9774415240b0a7b1ec41d923eb3c

The Republican-dominated House in Tennessee voted Tuesday to punish the city of Memphis for removing Confederate monuments by taking $250,000 away from the city that would have been used for a bicentennial celebration next year.

The retaliation came in the form of passage of a last-minute amendment attached to the House appropriations bill that triggered heated debate on the House floor and stinging rebukes from lawmakers from Memphis.

Rep. Antonio Parkinson began to call the amendment vile and racist before being cut off by boos from fellow lawmakers.

“You can boo all you want but let’s call it for what it is,” the Memphis representative said.

Last year the city of Memphis, which is majority black, was able to find a legal loophole to get rid of two Confederate statues and a bust by selling city parks to a nonprofit, which swiftly removed the monuments. Taken away under cover of darkness were statues of Confederate President Jefferson Davis and Nathan Bedford Forrest. Forrest was a general in the confederacy, a slave owner and a leader in the Ku Klux Klan. A bust of a Confederate soldier was also removed.

Parkinson, who is African-American, said he was sick of how fellow lawmakers revered Forrest “as if he was God, as if he was an idol.”

And

Trump Administration Wants to Shut Door on Abused Women
To cut back on immigration, Sessions wants to remove domestic abuse as a legal justification for seeking asylum.
www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/04/17/trump-administration-wants-to-shut-door-on-abused-women-218005

And

Diante Yarber: Police kill black father with barrage of bullets in Walmart parking lot
The killing of the 26-year-old, who is believed to have been unarmed, is being called a brutal case of excessive police force
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/17/diante-yarber-police-fatal-shooting-barstow-california

And

California Store Clerk Calls Cops on Black Man Who Asked for Refund; Black Man Gets Beaten Bloody
www.theroot.com/california-store-clerk-calls-cops-on-black-man-who-aske-1825396697

And

NowThis
@nowthisnews
This 7-year-old Black boy was dragged upside down off his school bus by a white teacher as he called out for his mom
twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/987154636170846208

[he suffered bruises and a concussion]

And

A Former Texas Official Asked A Biracial Harvard Admit Whether He Got In On "Merit Or Quota"
Drake Johnson is valedictorian, student body president, and a world champion cheerleader, among a slew of other accomplishments.
www.buzzfeed.com/juliareinstein/a-former-texas-official-asked-a-biracial-student-whether-he

And

Fraternity says oath pledging to hate blacks, Hispanics and Jews was satire — of a Republican
www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2018/04/20/fraternity-says-oath-pledging-to-hate-blacks-hispanics-and-jews-was-satire-of-a-republican/

Qasim Rashid, Esq.
@MuslimIQ
White male privilege is:
•Affirming a secret oath to "Always Hate Jews, Ni**ers, & Hispanics in my heart"
•Get caught—yet have the audacity to claim "It was a joke."

No, this is white supremacy in 2018 America. Disgusting.
#WhereWereTheyRadicalized?

And

Daniel Dale
@ddale8
An ill Black woman in Florida was jailed for allegedly scratching her daughter. She had trouble getting medications in jail. In court, a judge wildly berated her as she coughed and gasped in a wheelchair. Three days later, she died. The judge has resigned.
www.miamiherald.com/latest-news/article209496684.html

And

Joy Reid
‏*@JoyAnnReid*
.@DrJasonJohnson on calling the police on black people for noncrimes: "The intent of these actions is to remind black people that the ultimate consequence of discomforting white people—let alone angering them—could be death." More on #AMJoy www.theroot.com/from-starbucks-to-hashtags-we-need-to-talk-about-why-w-1825284087

From Starbucks to Hashtags: We Need to Talk About Why White Americans Call the Police on Black People

[Starbucks incident in case anyone missed it:

Arrest of two black men at Starbucks for 'trespassing' sparks protests
Protesters gathered at a Philadelphia Starbucks where the men were arrested after they reportedly refused to buy coffee or leave the store

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/16/arrest-of-two-black-men-at-starbucks-for-trespassing-sparks-protests ]

And

At least the NFL isn't pretending it's not blackballing Colin Kaepernick
Kaepernick and comrade-in-arms Eric Reid have again been denied employment due to their anthem protest, further proof that for the NFL’s owners it’s simply a matter of power
www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/apr/13/kaepernick-reid-blackballed-nfl-kneeling-anthem

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/04/2018 08:56

And then this took place yesterday:

Leah McElrath
‏*@leahmcelrath*
🚨HEADS UP🚨

Pay attention to what is happening in#Newman.

The protesters are there to counter a planned neo-Nazi rally.

The police are FOCUSING ON THE PROTESTERS.

[thread here: twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/987766494707757056 ]

Another good thread here: Jack Smith IV
@JackSmithIV
Arriving in Newman, GA, for the neo-Nazi rally, military-style vehicles patrol streets and trucks block off the roads, presumably to prevent vehicle attacks.

twitter.com/JackSmithIV/status/987755437213847552

And

Christopher Mathias
‏*@letsgomathias*
I just witness the most over-aggressive policing I've ever seen in #Newnan. Tackling protesters and arresting them... for wearing masks.

twitter.com/letsgomathias/status/987757214202056704

Caroline O.
‏**@RVAwonk**
The law against masks was originally passed as an anti-KKK law (to stop hooded KKK members from terrorizing people).

Today, #Newnan police used that law to arrest people protesting against Nazis.

And

Caroline O.
@RVAwonk
As you see pictures of the local police in #Newnan today, remember that Trump signed an executive order last year to make it easier for local police departments to get military-grade weapons, equipment, vehicles, etc.

Trump to lift military gear ban for local polic
edition.cnn.com/2017/08/28/politics/police-military-gear-ban-lifted/index.html