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We stand at a tipping point: do we fire up the popcorn maker or start digging a fallout shelter in the garden? (Trump cont)

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boatyardblues · 10/04/2018 22:01

Old thread here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3207431-When-a-nation-s-children-marched-and-their-President-ignored-them-Trump-cont

I’m all out of inspiration for the rest of this opening post. Send the St Bernard with the brandy please.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/04/2018 09:02

On Cohen:

The Business Deals That Could Imperil Trump

www.nytimes.com/2018/04/21/opinion/sunday/trump-business-mueller-money-laundering.html

Put aside Russian collusion for a moment. Press pause on possible presidential obstruction of justice. Forget Stormy Daniels. The most significant recent development involving the president may be that the special counsel, Robert Mueller, has subpoenaed Trump Organization business records as part of his inquiry into Russian interference in the presidential election.

Those documents — and records recently seized by the F.B.I. from the president’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen — might answer a question raised by the president’s critics: Have certain real estate investors used Trump-branded properties to launder the proceeds of criminal activity around the world?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/04/2018 09:03

Amy Siskind weekly update:

theweeklylist.org/weekly-list/week-75/

TheNorthWestPawsage · 22/04/2018 09:04

Arizona lawmakers at odds over a bill that could keep a McCain successor off the ballot this year

State lawmakers in Arizona are sparring over legislation that would give a Republican successor to Sen. John McCain a pass on having to stand for election in November if the ailing six-term senator resigns or dies by the end of next month.

Leaders of the Republican-controlled state Senate say they plan a vote next week on the measure, which could have implications for control of the U.S. Senate and has intensified the spotlight on the health of McCain, R-Ariz., who is battling brain cancer.

Democrats have cried foul and are vowing to block the bill, which they argue reflects how worried Republicans are about defending GOP-held seats, even in a red state like Arizona, where the state's other U.S. Senate seat is also on the ballot in November. Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., is not seeking re-election.
www.sfgate.com/news/article/Arizona-lawmakers-at-odds-over-a-bill-that-could-12853995.php

lionheart · 22/04/2018 09:10

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/georgia-neo-nazi-rally-police-militarized-arrests_us_5adbf0f6e4b075b631e65f49

'The lead officer in the arrests said the counterprotesters were breaking a state law regarding masks, likely referring to a seldom-enforced 1951 law originally aimed at combating hooded Ku Klux Klan members. Anti-fascist protesters ― many belonging to chapters of antifa groups, known for sometimes violently confronting white supremacists ― often wear masks to avoid being identified by both law enforcement and neo-Nazis.'

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/04/2018 09:10

The GOP are right to be worried about Arizona (though not dismantle democracy because of it, obviously!)

Deep red Arizona hates Trump so much they might flip Senate seat blue
shareblue.com/arizona-senate-race-poll-trump-unpopular/

OuaisMaisBon · 22/04/2018 11:06

Hello, just popping in for a short while as my break in Greece without wifi was a massive help to my BP so I am restricting reading/watching things likely to upset me Grin But having read that last article about Arizona that PainInTheEar linked to, I am back with my usual question - why do so many people in the Deep Red states continue to support the orange cockwombling wankspanner?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/04/2018 12:07

Having just had a similar period of purdah, I'd venture that when you're not paying attention to the news (or actively avoiding it) it's easy to miss all the horrors that are happening. Plus, lots of people don't give a shit about what's happening to other people and only care if they're directly affected.

There was an article in the New Yorker about some Trump voters who have regrets but I have limited sympathy.

www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/in-rural-tennessee-a-big-ice-raid-makes-some-conservative-voters-rethink-trumps-immigration-agenda

“Immigration is kind of a hot-button topic here,” Hank Smith, a fifty-year-old salesman from Morristown, told me. “Some people feel like immigrants are taking our jobs, that they’re not paying their taxes. But others are more sympathetic.” Smith counts himself among the latter group. “I’m a Christian; God loves everybody equally. And I never had a problem with anyone being here,” he said. Nevertheless, in 2016, Smith voted for Trump. He had been mostly indifferent to Trump’s anti-immigrant invective on the campaign trail; the rhetoric didn’t resonate with him personally, but it didn’t alienate him, either. “My kids were getting to an age where they’d be going to work, so the economy was the major issue for my family,” he told me. “It’s the things that affect us the most that we vote on. And immigration didn’t really affect me before. But then this raid happened.”

I don't think you can be indifferent to the racism of pre-election Trump and then be sad by his racist policies. This is on everyone who voted for Trump, regrets or not (though I appreciate psy-ops played a part for some people).

TheNorthWestPawsage · 22/04/2018 12:48

Jesus H Christ! When will someone point out to her that children don't only belong to the mother and that her adulterous son ALSO has 5 kids?!! Angry

We stand at a tipping point: do we fire up the popcorn maker or start digging a fallout shelter in the garden? (Trump cont)
OuaisMaisBon · 22/04/2018 12:48

Thanks for that New Yorker link too, Pain, and I take your point about being unaware having an effect. I think I will continue my sabbatical a while longer, though!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/04/2018 13:22

Wasn’t meant as a dig at all ouais! Just found it interesting that when I actively avoided any news, it was surprisingly easy to forget what insidious things were happening out of sight and how benign everything appeared. It was very easy not to think about anything other than usual life. Was still well worth doing though and think checking out and having a break is sensible!

cozietoesie · 22/04/2018 13:43

Thanks, What, Pain and others. Smile

OuaisMaisBon · 22/04/2018 14:01

Pain, not to worry, didn't take it as a dig at all, sorry if my reply came over that way! I truly take your point and understand more where Trump voters are coming from because of it! But, as Lily Allen once said, all this has messed up my mental helf and I am quite unwell Grin Hoping to smile soon, though.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 22/04/2018 16:58

Spoof but still unnerving...

Now THIS is funny. Very. Thank you for all of your thoughts and prayers. I have fully recovered...BIGLY.
Opinion: Right there in the middle of 5th Avenue
twitter.com/michaelavenatti/status/988073433811402754?s=21

politics.myajc.com/blog/jay-bookman/opinion-right-there-the-middle-5th-avenue/9FjZnFT2c5Yv5qoGJzwlXP/

lionheart · 22/04/2018 19:48

crooksandliars.com/2018/04/kellyanne-conway-comey-has-some-kind-weird

'On Watters World tonight, Conway delighted host and informal Trump adviser Jesse Watters when she said, “Jim Comey has some kind of weird problem with powerful African American women. He goes after Condoleezza Rice and he goes after Loretta Lynch.”'

cozietoesie · 22/04/2018 20:14

lion

As said by Ole Microwave herself! Wink

lionheart · 22/04/2018 20:19
Smile
TheNorthWestPawsage · 22/04/2018 22:46

Mike Pence’s brother is running for Congress on his “business record.”🤨

Greg was president of a company that filed for BANKRUPTCY & was fined $8.4 million by Indiana for environmental damage. Greg also defaulted on $3.8 million of loans‼️🤬

#Nepotism
twitter.com/drdenagrayson/status/988133479815708672?s=21

www.nytimes.com/2018/04/22/us/politics/pence-brother-congress-business-record.html

cozietoesie · 23/04/2018 00:55

There will be some House seats that will be filled by ........unfortunate candidates. Just think Big Picture. Smile

TheClaws · 23/04/2018 01:54

OMG, I fell off the thread Shock I was away for a few days at a cosplay Grin

TheClaws · 23/04/2018 02:01

But back to the normal stuff:

thehill.com/homenews/administration/384370-official-trump-will-tell-north-korea-it-must-dismantle-nuclear

But I’m not sure Trump is on top of these things. Does he really understand the difference between denuclearisation and the stopping of nuclear testing? These are quite apart in nature. (They have agreed, apparently, to cease testing. This is probably because they no longer need to test. They have not agreed to denuclearise.)

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
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Sleepy Eyes Chuck Todd of Fake News NBC just stated that we have given up so much in our negotiations with North Korea, and they have given up nothing. Wow, we haven’t given up anything & they have agreed to denuclearization (so great for World), site closure, & no more testing!

cozietoesie · 23/04/2018 02:06

No. Sorry.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/04/2018 05:54

Someone upthread (sorry, can't remember who!) posted about whether it was dangerous for Hannity to say his dealings with Cohen were only related to property, given the mob-esque nature of Cohen and all the money laundering. Well seems like we're one step closer to confirming Hannity is no brighter than Don Jr (who claimed Russian adoptions was fine to talk to to Putin's cut outs about, in a meeting that they did not disclose to the US government - despite adoptions being part of sanctions)

Michael Cohen case shines light on Sean Hannity's property empire

Fox News host who said Trump’s fixer ‘knows real estate’ has a portfolio that includes support from Department of Housing and Urban Development, a fact he did not mention when interviewing secretary Ben Carson last year

www.theguardian.com/media/2018/apr/22/michael-cohen-sean-hannity-property-real-estate-ben-carson-hud

Hannity’s chosen investment strategy is confirmed by thousands of pages of public records reviewed by the Guardian, which detail a real estate portfolio of remarkable scale that has not previously been reported.

The records link Hannity to a group of shell companies that spent at least $90m on more than 870 homes in seven states over the past decade. The properties range from luxurious mansions to rentals for low-income families. Hannity is the hidden owner behind some of the shell companies and his attorney did not dispute that he owns all of them.

Dozens of the properties were bought at a discount in 2013, after banks foreclosed on their previous owners for defaulting on mortgages. Before and after then, Hannity sharply criticised Barack Obama for the US foreclosure rate. In January 2016, Hannity said there were “millions more Americans suffering under this president” partly because of foreclosures.

Hannity, 56, also amassed part of his property collection with support from the US Department for Housing and Urban Development (Hud), a fact he did not disclose when praising Ben Carson, the Hud secretary, on his television show last year.

[...]The shell companies used to buy the properties are registered to the offices of Henssler Financial, a wealth management firm outside Atlanta. Bill Lako, a principal at the firm, has appeared on Hannity’s radio show as an expert on money issues.

Lako recently wrote an article for the show’s website berating Robert Mueller, the special counsel investigating ties between Trump’s 2016 election campaign and Russia, without noting his ties to Hannity. He did not respond to an email.

When Lako appeared on Hannity’s radio show last month, Hannity disclosed that he was a Henssler client. He joked to Lako that the company took him on as a “charity case” when he worked in Georgia, but “now I’m the best client you have”.

[...]The shell companies used to buy the properties are limited liability companies (LLCs). Like in most states, they are not required to disclose their owners to Georgia regulators. LLCs are popular among well-known figures such as Hannity who wish to keep their business arrangements private.

But the Guardian obtained records in which Hannity signed deeds and other documents on behalf of four of the LLCs, sometimes being named as principal or manager. Four more of the shell companies have owned properties in which public records say Hannity or members of his family have lived.

[it might not be to do with money laundering of course but seems fairly swampy behaviour. And loving that he inadvertantly landed himself in it]