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We stand at a tipping point: do we fire up the popcorn maker or start digging a fallout shelter in the garden? (Trump cont)

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boatyardblues · 10/04/2018 22:01

Old thread here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3207431-When-a-nation-s-children-marched-and-their-President-ignored-them-Trump-cont

I’m all out of inspiration for the rest of this opening post. Send the St Bernard with the brandy please.

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BoreOfWhabylon · 21/04/2018 01:49

Oh god, the UK visit is back on for mid-July, according to "a senior Whitehall source". Possibly a stay at Balmoral too

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5640101/Donald-Trump-finally-come-Britain-July-stay-Queen-Balmoral.html

Perhaps he'll go deer-stalking and get accidentally shot by a ghillie

cozietoesie · 21/04/2018 02:53

It's what I would have suggested if I were Brenda. (Who is apparently not keen on him) At least we're to be spared a state visit etc etc.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/04/2018 06:39

A different sort of state visit

Trump Invites Putin to the U.S., Offers Visit to Moscow, Russia Says

Russian foreign minister also says the recent U.S.-led airstrikes negate any 'moral obligation' to stop supplying Assad with weapons

www.haaretz.com/us-news/trump-invites-putin-to-the-u-s-offers-visit-to-moscow-russia-says-1.6013058

U.S. President Donald Trump invited his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin to the United States during a phone call, and said he would be glad to see Putin in the White House, RIA Novosti reported on Friday, citing the Russian Foreign Ministry.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/04/2018 06:42

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
The White House says that John Bolton met with the Russian Ambassador to the U.S. Anatoly Antonov today in the White House.

Anniegetyourgun · 21/04/2018 06:52

Perhaps he'll go deer-stalking and get accidentally shot by a ghillie

Accidentally?

Look on the bright side: if the visit is on, so is the opportunity to protest. Start planning the signs and stitching the hats now.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/04/2018 06:53

Wouldn't it be lovely if we could turn the fallout shelter into a wine cellar instead? One can dream anyway

Kim Jong Un: North Korea no longer needs nuclear tests, state-run media reports

edition.cnn.com/2018/04/20/asia/north-korea-closes-nuclear-site/index.html

North Korea says its quest for nuclear weapons is "complete" and it "no longer needs" to test its weapons capability, a significant development ahead of diplomatic engagement with both South Korea and the United States.

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un said Saturday that "under the proven condition of complete nuclear weapons, we no longer need any nuclear tests, mid-range and intercontinental ballistic rocket tests, and that the nuclear test site in northern area has also completed its mission," as quoted by the state-run KCNA news agency.
The announcement appears to signify a remarkable change in policy for Kim, following a relentless pursuit of nuclear and ballistic weapons as a means to ensure his regime's survival.

It comes just one week before a meeting between Kim and South Korean President Moon Jae-in, and before a planned historic encounter between Kim and US President Donald Trump -- and just weeks after the North Korean leader met Chinese President Xi Jinping on his first official trip outside his country.

The US and South Korea welcomed the news, which they said was a sign of progress and a promising start to upcoming talks.
"North Korea has agreed to suspend all Nuclear Tests and close up a major test site," Trump tweeted. "This is very good news for North Korea and the World - big progress! Look forward to our Summit."

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
North Korea has agreed to suspend all Nuclear Tests and close up a major test site. This is very good news for North Korea and the World - big progress! Look forward to our Summit.
11:50 PM - Apr 20, 2018

The US President followed up the tweet with another around four hours later, similarly praising the "progess" being made.
Seoul similarly praised the development, with South Korean Presidential Senior Secretary for Public Relations Yoon Young-chan telling journalists it represented "meaningful progress for denuclearization of the Korean peninsula," and said that it would contribute to a "positive environment" for the upcoming talks.

The declaration comes as North Korea continues to make concessions ahead of the talks. Last month Kim told a South Korean delegation that he "understood" the need for joint US-South Korean military drills. Earlier this week he dropped his requirement that US troops leave the Korean peninsula as a precondition for denuclearization.

'New chapter' for North Korea
A North Korea source told CNN that Kim has finally decided to open up a new chapter for his nation. Kim has committed himself to the path of denuclearization and will now focus solely on economic growth and improving the national economy, the source said.

The North Korean leader has realized the best path forward is to normalize relations with other countries, the source added. He is finally being recognized by the international community, and this is a historic, timely opportunity, the source said.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe cautiously welcomed the development. "The only thing that is important is whether or not it will lead to the completely verified and irreversible abolition of nuclear and missiles," he told reporters. "We would like to keep a close eye on it."

His Defense Minister, Itsunori Onodera, went one step further, saying that the suspension of nuclear and missile tests was "insufficient" and "not satisfactory," as it did not mention Pyongyang's short- and mid-range capabilitiies -- the missiles that can reach Japan.
Beijing welcomed the news and pledged to play a "positive" role in bringing lasting peace to the peninsula.

"Achieving denuclearization and sustainable peace in the region is in the interest of people on the peninsula and in the region, and meets the shared expectation of the international community," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang said.

"We hope all relevant parties will move in the same direction and take concrete actions to work toward sustainable peace and common development in the region. China will continue to play a positive role to this end."

However, analysts stressed caution over Kim's words, noting that Pyongyang was likely to be seeking something in return.
"The announcement is significant, but you know, whether North Korea is truly serious remains to be seen," said Sue Mi Terry, a former CIA North Korea analyst.

"They might be looking for freeze-for-freeze deals. They are looking for sanctions relief. So what are we going to give for this freezing of tests?"

Speaking to CNN, Josh Pollack, senior research associate at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey, said that the news is Kim's way of announcing that his country is a fully paid-up member of the nuclear club.

"They have wanted to be seen as an arrived nuclear power for a while and one thing that the other nuclear powers don't do is test, with the exception of India and Pakistan, no one has done it since World War II, so it's a sign of immaturity to test and they're saying: 'we're technically mature now, so we don't need to (test) anymore.'"

"They're not giving anything up, they're keeping (their weapons) and that's the message. It was wrapped in this seeming concession, but it's not really a concession. (If) they can decide to test after all they can just start doing it again."

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/04/2018 07:13

Manu Raju
@mkraju
Michael Cohen lawyer Brent Blakely asking for delay in Stormy lawsuit against Cohen because, he said, Cohen could be indicted within 90 days. "That's what @MichaelAvenatti is saying," Blakely told court. The search warrant of Cohen property, Blakely said, references $130K payment

And

Kyle Griffin‏
@kylegriffin1
Keith Davidson, the former attorney for Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal, has been contacted by federal authorities investigating Michael Cohen and is cooperating with them, a spokesman for Davidson confirmed.
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/stormy-danielss-former-lawyer-said-to-be-cooperating-with-federal-probe-of-michael-cohen/2018/04/20/3011745e-44ae-11e8-baaf-8b3c5a3da888_story.html

Keith Davidson, the former attorney for two women who were paid to keep quiet about their alleged affairs with Donald Trump, has been contacted by federal authorities investigating Trump attorney Michael Cohen and is cooperating with them, a spokesman for Davidson confirmed.

Davidson was asked to provide “certain limited electronic information” for the probe led by prosecutors in the Southern District of New York, spokesman Dave Wedge said. “He has done so and will continue to cooperate to the fullest extent possible under the law,” Wedge said in a statement Friday.

Shortly before the 2016 election, Davidson negotiated a confidentiality agreement with Cohen under which porn star Stormy Daniels was paid $130,000.

Davidson also represented Karen McDougal, a Playboy centerfold, in the $150,000 agreement she struck in August 2016 with the National Enquirer’s parent company, American Media Inc., for the rights to her story. AMI never published the story.

And

Michael Cohen Has Said He Would Take a Bullet for Trump. Maybe Not Anymore.

www.nytimes.com/2018/04/20/us/politics/trump-michael-cohen.html

Now, for the first time, the traffic may be going Mr. Cohen’s way. Mr. Trump’s lawyers and advisers have become resigned to the strong possibility that Mr. Cohen, who has a wife and two children and faces the prospect of devastating legal fees, if not criminal charges, could end up cooperating with federal officials who are investigating him for activity that could relate, at least in part, to work he did for Mr. Trump.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/04/2018 07:16
Hmm
We stand at a tipping point: do we fire up the popcorn maker or start digging a fallout shelter in the garden? (Trump cont)
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/04/2018 07:19

Trump finds out Page might be a witness for obstruction of justice and so tries to make it better by obstructing justice even more.

Exclusive: Trump pressed Sessions to fire 2 FBI officials who sent anti-Trump text messages

Trump also asked Attorney General Sessions and FBI Director Wray to find derogatory information on the officials, Peter Strzok and Lisa Page.

www.vox.com/2018/4/20/17258230/trump-sessions-fire-fbi-officials-strzok-page-text-messages

Also

Kyle Griffin‏
@kylegriffin1
More than 800 ex-DOJ employees have signed an open letter calling on Congress to “swiftly and forcefully respond to protect the founding principles of our Republic and the rule of law” if Trump were to fire Rosenstein, Mueller or other seniorDOJ officials.

Sessions told White House that Rosenstein’s firing could prompt his departure, too
www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-told-white-house-that-rosensteins-firing-could-prompt-his-departure-too/2018/04/20/911ca994-44c7-11e8-bba2-0976a82b05a2_story.html

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/04/2018 07:21

Jonathan Swan
@jonathanvswan
More Jonathan Swan Retweeted Washington Post
Politically, a brutal leak for Sessions. His conservative allies — who have been propping him up against Trump's attacks — are tearing their hair out.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/04/2018 07:26

Don't know if the story of amazon accidentally sending the WH copies of Comey's book was true but this is a nice bit of Trump-baiting (cue cries of global elitest Bezos is controlling the world's agenda again)

James Comey to speak at Amazon

www.axios.com/amazon-has-invited-comey-to-speak-924733e7-4b92-439f-8b73-aa6cc2792e5e.html

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/04/2018 07:34

I really dislike the Flynns

🇺🇸MFLYNNJR 🇺🇸
‏*@mflynnJR*
More 🇺🇸MFLYNNJR 🇺🇸 Retweeted PoliticusUSA
It’s so funny that @maddow and @MSNBC STILL think @GenFlynn is a Russian agent. OMG HE SAT IN ON POTUS DAILY BRIEFINGS!!

You idiots couldn’t be more wrong about someone if you tried...#LyingComey

(his whole feed is strikingly similar in tone/defensiveness/lies to Donny Jr. Perhaps having to protest your father's innocence when you know it to be long gone does something to a person)

And
Flynn senior seems to be growing in confidence, which can't be a good sign.

Michael Flynn tests 'comeback tour'
Hailed by Trump allies as a victim of Mueller overreach, Trump's fired national security adviser makes speaking appearances.

www.politico.com/story/2018/04/20/michael-flynn-comeback-tour-trump-539249

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/04/2018 07:38

I'd forgotten that Giuliani is problematic in so many ways. I wonder how long he'll last as Trump's lawyer

Caroline O.
@RVAwonk
Remember Flynn's reported involvement in a plot to kidnap exiled Turkish cleric Fethullah Gulen? That plot involved securing the release of a prisoner named Reza Zarrab.

Zarrab's lawyer? Giuliani.

Zarrab struck a plea deal in Nov.

He may be a cooperating witness. For Mueller.

lionheart · 21/04/2018 07:46

www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/algorithms-take-over-youtube-s-recommendations-highlight-human-problem-n867596?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

'YouTube is a supercomputer working to achieve a specific goal — to get you to spend as much time on YouTube as possible.

But no one told its system exactly how to do that. After YouTube built the system that recommends videos to its users, former employees like Guillaume Chaslot, a software engineer in artificial intelligence who worked on the site's recommendation engine in 2010-2011, said he watched as it started pushing users toward conspiracy videos. Chaslot said the platform’s complex “machine learning” system, which uses trial and error combined with statistical analysis to figure out how to get people to watch more videos, figured out that the best way to get people to spend more time on YouTube was to show them videos light on facts but rife with wild speculation.

Routine searches on YouTube can generate quality, personalized recommendations that lead to good information, exciting storytelling from independent voices, and authoritative news sources.

But they can also return recommendations for videos that assert, for example, that the Earth is flat, aliens are underneath Antarctica, and mass shooting survivors are crisis actors.'

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/04/2018 07:51

A thread on the problems of giuliani

Jamison Foser
@jamisonfoser
Giuliani isn’t there to negotiate anything; he’s there as a conduit to rogue FBI agents looking to undermine probe.

mobile.twitter.com/jamisonfoser/status/987076849170657280

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/04/2018 08:13

Joy Reid
@JoyAnnReid
Serious question: isn’t there a chance Giuliani - who seemed to have awfully prescient knowledge about the Anthony Weiner/email revelations via his connex to members of the NY FBI office - could be someone Mueller wants to talk to? What happens then?

Renato Mariotti
@renato_mariotti
If Mueller wants to interview Giuliani, he could no longer represent Trump in the matter.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/04/2018 08:32

McConnell aims to reshape courts in case Senate flips

The Kentucky Republican is prioritizing confirmation of conservative judges in what may be his final months as majority leader.

www.politico.com/story/2018/04/20/mcconnell-courts-judges-confirmation-senate-537366

Mitch McConnell is making a last dash to stock the judiciary with conservatives this year as a hedge against the chance that Republicans lose the Senate in November.

The GOP may have only a few more months of unified control of Washington to repeal Obamacare or enact President Donald Trump’s infrastructure plan. But the Senate majority leader is taking a longer view — and confirming as many conservative judges as possible to lifetime appointments.

[...]Trump has already nominated 69 judges, but there are 149 total vacancies. GOP leaders say McConnell is intent on filling as many as he can this year, in part out of concern that Democrats take back the Senate and exact retribution on McConnell and Trump for changing the face of the courts.

PerkingFaintly · 21/04/2018 08:43

Well the N Korea news makes me tentatively hopeful. Which is nice.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 21/04/2018 08:45

Weasels, weasels - the lot of them!
(Apologies to real weasels)

I'm furious that the Trump visit to the UK may be back on - but I've already informed DH that this year's hol may have to be in the Balmoral area...

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/04/2018 08:48

perking I meant to ask you - were the Wagner mercenary skirmishes related to the Erik Prince Blackwater skirmishes earlier this year? Have lost track!

PerkingFaintly · 21/04/2018 09:19

Shock Don't think I know anything about recent Blackwater skirmishes.

Just that Blackwater used to stand out as bastards even amid other "private military contractors" in the highly worrying privatisation of warfare (and associated removal of accountability).

PerkingFaintly · 21/04/2018 09:28

OK, this article describes Blackwater itself as defunct. Prince created Blackwater mark II, Frontier Services Group, with Chinese money. This article is from 2 years ago.

theintercept.com/2016/03/24/blackwater-founder-erik-prince-under-federal-investigation/

Last October, FSG’s corporate leadership grew so concerned about Prince’s efforts to sell paramilitary programs and services that the board passed a series of resolutions stripping Prince of most of his responsibilities as chairman.

FSG also terminated the contracts of two of Prince’s closest associates within the company after management became suspicious that they were assisting Prince in his unapproved dealings, according to two people with knowledge of FSG’s inner workings. Smith declined to comment on internal FSG personnel matters.

In recent months, FSG employees became alarmed when they began to hear reports from sources within the U.S. government that their chairman’s communications and foreign travel were being monitored by U.S. intelligence. According to three people who have worked with Prince, his colleagues were warned not to get involved with his business deals or discuss sensitive issues with him. “I would assume that just about every intelligence agency in the world has him lit up on their screen,” said one of the people advised to avoid Prince.