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We stand at a tipping point: do we fire up the popcorn maker or start digging a fallout shelter in the garden? (Trump cont)

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boatyardblues · 10/04/2018 22:01

Old thread here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3207431-When-a-nation-s-children-marched-and-their-President-ignored-them-Trump-cont

I’m all out of inspiration for the rest of this opening post. Send the St Bernard with the brandy please.

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ohmymimi · 20/04/2018 10:07

Thinking about the release of Comey memos/Mueller's agreement/threats to Rosenstein (impeachment etc.). Has it been mooted anywhere that a factor was to protect Rosenstein?
It seems that if the aim was damage to Comedy/Mueller, that may be a fail.
edition.cnn.com/2018/04/20/politics/donald-trump-james-comey-memos/index.html

Please overlook any weird syntax, spelling, punctuation etc. I come up with in my posts, I have ME brain fog at the moment.Sad

lionheart · 20/04/2018 12:38

Sorry to hear that ohmy. Flowers

Your posts do make sense. Smile

TheNorthWestPawsage · 20/04/2018 13:36

A fascinating read. Just how did this lying toad of a man get anywhere near the Presidency?!

Trump lied to me about his wealth to get onto the Forbes 400. Here are the tapes.

Posing as ‘John Barron,’ he claimed he owned most of his father’s real estate empire.
www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/trump-lied-to-me-about-his-wealth-to-get-onto-the-forbes-400-here-are-the-tapes/2018/04/20/ac762b08-4287-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html

Excerpts:
But it took decades to unwind the elaborate farce Trump had built to project an image as one of the richest people in America. Nearly every assertion supporting that claim was untrue. Trump wasn’t just poorer than he said he was. Over time I have learned that he should not have been on the first three Forbes 400 lists at all. In our first-ever list, in 1982, we included him at $100 million, but Trump was actually worth roughly $5 million — a paltry sum by the standards of his super-monied peers — as a spate of government reports and books showed only much later.
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It would be decades before I learned that Forbes had been conned: In the early 1980s, Trump had zero equity in his father’s company. According to Fred’s will (portions of which appeared in a lawsuit), the father retained legal ownership of his residential empire until his death in 1999, at which point he left it to be divided between his four surviving children and some of his grandchildren. That explains why, after Trump went bankrupt in the early 1990s, he borrowed $30 million from his siblings, secured by an estimated $35 million share of his future inheritance, according to three sources in Tim O’Brien’s 2005 biography, “TrumpNation.” He could have used his own assets as collateral if he’d had any worth that amount, but he didn’t.
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The most revelatory document describing Trump’s true net worth in the early ’80s was a 1981 report from the New Jersey Casino Control Commission. O’Brien obtained a copy for his book. Trump had applied for an Atlantic City casino license, and regulators were able to review his tax returns and personal and corporate debt, giving them the most accurate picture of his finances. They found that he had an income of about $100,000 a year, while his 1979 tax returns showed a $3.4 million taxable loss. Trump’s personal assets consisted of a $1 million trust fund that Fred Trump provided to each of his children and grandchildren, a few checking accounts with about $400,000 in them and a 1977 Mercedes 450SL. Nowhere did the report list an ownership stake in the Trump Organization’s residential apartments. Trump also possessed a few parcels of valuable but highly leveraged real estate, financed with $22.5 million in debt, all of it secured by his father’s assets. He did not own a safe deposit box or stocks in publicly traded companies. In sum, Trump was worth less than $5 million, not the $100 million that I reported in the first Forbes 400.
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During our first interview in 1982, Trump informed me that he had bought the Barbizon Plaza Hotel and the adjoining 110 Central Park West for just $13 million, a steal. While I was in Trump’s office, a broker supposedly called to offer him $100 million for the property. Trump refused the offer while looking me in the eye; he pointed out that his net worth should include an equity boost of $87 million profit. I believed then that he used a staffer to stage the call, and I resisted the fictitious valuation. But the $13 million price tag for a valuable parcel was recorded in Forbes 400 files, and it soon showed up in other publications, such as New York magazine . It remains on Wikipedia today. Yet tucked away on Page 63 of the Casino Commission report was a section describing Trump’s purchase of the property for $65 million, facilitated by a $50 million loan to Trump by Chase Manhattan Bank. As with many of his buildings, Trump’s debt was far higher, and his true equity far lower, than he claimed.
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Forbes declined to comment for this article, but its top editor, Randall Lane, interviewed then-candidate Trump for the Forbes 400 in 2015 and wrote about the magazine’s long struggle to accurately assess his net worth in an article titled “Inside The Epic Fantasy That’s Driven Donald Trump For 33 Years .” Of the 1,538 tycoons who had been on the “Rich List” through the years, Lane wrote, “not one has been more fixated with his or her net worth estimate on a year-in, year-out basis than Donald J. Trump.”

I was a leading New York real estate reporter through the 1980s. I left the Forbes staff in 1983 but continued to freelance for the magazine while writing major investigative features as a contributing editor for the new Manhattan, Inc. magazine, as well as New York, Avenue and New York City Business. I knew all the key players. I thought I had a handle on this material.

But Trump was so competent in conning me that, until 35 years later, I did not know I had been conned. Instead, I have gone through my career in national media with a misinformed sense of satisfaction that, as a perceptive young journalist, I called Trump on his lies and gave Forbes readers who used the Rich List as a barometer of private wealth a more accurate picture of his finances than the one he was selling.

The joke was on me — and everyone else. Trump’s fabrications provided the basis for a vastly inflated wealth assessment for the Forbes 400 that would give him cachet for decades as a triumphant businessman.

In truth, almost nobody had a clear picture of Trump’s books. In 1990, Trump brought in Steve Bollenbach as a new chief financial officer to respond to lender concerns about his crippling debt. “When Bollenbach began delving into the organization’s finances, he got a surprise,” The Washington Post’s Michael Kranish and Marc Fisher write in “Trump Revealed,” their comprehensive 2016 biography. “The small staff on the twenty-sixth floor of Trump Tower included three accountants. Each knew about pieces of the fraying empire — the casinos, for instance, or the condos. But no one knew the overall picture; there were no consolidated financial reports.”

In the absence of a functioning balance sheet, the list didn’t just make Trump feel like a winner, according to O’Brien; it may have provided some of the documentation he needed to borrow reckless sums of money — vast loans that he used, for years, to actually make him a winner. “The more often Forbes mentioned him, the more credible Donald’s claim to vast wealth became,” O’Brien said, arguing that Trump and the list were “mutually reinforcing”: “The more credible his claim to vast wealth became, the easier it was for him to get on the Forbes 400 — which became the standard that other media, and apparently some of the country’s biggest banks, used when judging Donald’s riches.”

AcrossthePond55 · 20/04/2018 14:10

I did see the Comey interview with Rachel Cozie. With a couple of interruptions. But I will say that she's the first one I've seen who really asked the 'important' questions. And where more than one or two answers were "I can't tell you that".

I haven't read all the memos yet. I need to open one of those links and have a look-see.

Roussette · 20/04/2018 14:41

I read all that NorthWest and actually listening to the taped interviews between 'Barron' and Forbes guy is laughable, it is sooooooo Trump it's unbelievable. OK he changes his voice somewhat, but it's not that - it's the nuances, the repetition, the way he speaks that there is no doubt.

He's not very good at pretending to be someone else.

How pathetic that he was so obsessed to be thought of as richer than he was

ohmymimi · 20/04/2018 14:51

Thank you for those extracts, North. I listened to an interview with Jonathan Greenthingy this morning. It included the recording of the phone call with Barron. T. really is an unfillable dark void of need.

Totally agree about RM, Across; she had obviously paid attention his other interviews and built on them.

Many thanks, lion. Not sure I'm much more fluent without the foggingWink.

lionheart · 20/04/2018 15:24
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lionheart · 20/04/2018 15:33

Ed Krassenstein 💎

@EdKrassen

'Today is National School Walkout Day! Teachers & students all over the U.S. will walk out of schools & universities at 10AM local time. This is to honor the 13 people killed at Columbine High School on this day in 1999.'

cozietoesie · 20/04/2018 15:36

Columbine.

It's easy to forget just how long ago that was...........

Sleipnirthewonderhorse · 20/04/2018 15:45

And just before the school walkout -
A student was wounded and a suspect is in custody after a shooting Friday morning at a high school in Ocala, Florida, according to the Marion County Sheriff's Office.
amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/04/20/us/florida-high-school-shooting/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

I'm not sure just one injury even counts as a shooting by American standards.

cozietoesie · 20/04/2018 16:14

I thought something had happened. Wink Wall St is jittery.

lionheart · 20/04/2018 18:09

apnews.com/96589643061e4437bd45fdcc35959fe0

NEW YORK (AP) — The nation’s six big Wall Street banks posted record, or near record, profits in the first quarter, and they can thank one person in particular: President Donald Trump.

While higher interest rates allowed banks to earn more from lending in the first quarter, the main boost to bank came from the billions of dollars they saved in taxes under the tax law Trump signed in December. Combined, the six banks saved at least $3.59 billion last quarter, according to an Associated Press estimate, using the bank’s tax rates going back to 2015.

CrustyCob · 20/04/2018 19:18
Flowers Incredible thread. I'm still with you.Smile
mackerella · 20/04/2018 19:35

This is quite mean, but the snark made me snigger:

Why Melania Trump Rarely Uses Sleeves As They Were Intended: A Few Theories

"...But I suspect the image of a woman too important to have to move her arms for anything appealed to her more than a well-regulated body temperature. Impractical fashion carries with it the implication that one can outsource all practical labor. When Trump leaves her arms out of her sleeves, she’s telling us she doesn’t have to perform any of the daily manual tasks the rest of us do: She will never reach for anything in a cabinet, stoop to pick anything off the ground, hold open any doors, pour any glasses of water, lift her arms to fix her hair, or fish a credit card out of a purse. If she did, her coat would slip right off.

"...But the best explanation for Trump’s sleeveless styling came in February, when she and Donald boarded Marine Force One on their way to Ohio. The president tried to grab her hand, but only got a hold of her sleeve, then made an awkward show of moving to her other side. In this scenario, Trump’s empty sleeve functioned as a safety buffer. When your arms aren’t where they’re supposed to be, it’s a lot harder for other people to find them."

Roussette · 20/04/2018 20:30

Makes sense to me mackerella Grin

lionheart · 20/04/2018 21:35

Yep. If the President makes a grab he will end up holding just the coat and Melania will be halfway out the door before he even realises.

thehill.com/homenews/administration/384152-mccabe-to-sue-trump-admin-for-defamation-wrongful-termination

splinternews.com/the-cia-says-mike-pompeo-didnt-fight-in-the-gulf-war-1825422682

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