To find floral tributes being left for Harry Vincent offensive

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This is an attempt to intimidate the innocent family. Flowers should be removed - isn’t it littering?

its morally wrong. you will not get a single police officer saying different.

the police are impartial. evidence gatherers. thats all. personal feelings cannot come into it.

What's it to be stillvicarinatutu

You are making no sense on this thread and I hope you are not a police officer

stillvicar, that doesn’t change the fact that if they had the permission of the owner of the fence they could have perfectly legally removed them.

im really glad theyve been torn down. thats my personal feeling. my professional one is that i must abide by the law. or lose my job. and integrity.

Have a cup of

Mightymucks, why should the Police potentially escalate this?

Especially when they don't get involved in non traveller tributes.

no they couldnt. not unless the owner of the fence called 101 and said he didnt want them there.

yes i am a pc. a bloody good one actually.

Zero sympathy for the burglar and feel very sad for the turmoil the pensioner and his wife face. The guy is nearly 80 years old FFS. The family of Henry are trash. The “shrine” is there to make a total statement and intimidate. The police should get it all removed and not let anything else go back up. Most people I have spoken to don’t give a flying fuck about the burglar’s family and their efforts to make a big statement in front of the elderly victims home.

I wish we could go back to the days when the only floral tributes we had were at funerals.

I hate seeing a sea of plastic and cellophane with wilting carnations and chrysanths in them.

elendon, don’t be a wally. Acting impartially doesn’t mean that you hold no personal opinions on the rights or wrongs of a situation. It just means you put those opinions aside in a professional capacity and don’t allow them to affect your actions.

Look, I know your our copper in residence Vicar, but seriously are you listening to yourself?

There’s no cuts impacting here, no 101, no drain if resources: are you seriously telling us the police think it’s okey dokey to attach 100 bouquets of flowers to a fence that doesn’t belong to the person that is hanging the flowers. What if they substitute flowers for paint?

The BBC are quoting the householder saying he doesn’t want the bloody flowers in his fence.

That poor man and his wife I hope they are ok.

So glad people have been taking down these tributes. They need to accept that their beloved was a scumbag and that what they are doing just says it all about the type of people they are.

One relative said she is "proud of him". What is there to be proud of exactly?

Funeral will be interesting.

Loads of police in Plain clothes looking to see who turns up and is wanted .

No time for billy burglars 'grieving ' family.

Reap what you sow.

I live in the area and it’s fucking unpleasant at the moment. I wish they’d just fuck off and leave everyone in peace.

mighty absolutely spot on.

my feelings are irrelevant.

I honestly think I would be scared to report the flowers on my fence. Well terrified in fact.

It would have had nothing to do with me, but I feel that if I reported it and police removed them, I'd be next on the list. This is rather scary.

But no doubt some might think I am overreacting.

This is a game of intimidation and fear mongering. No other reason.

Mightymucks, why should the Police potentially escalate this?

It’s the police’s inaction which has escalated it. It was really obvious they were going to be torn down. What do you think would escalate the situation most? The police quietly removing them and taking them to the funeral home dealing with his body or returning them to his family? Or a video of someone ripping them down, calling his family scum?

That video has inflamed the situation massively. Anybody with half a brain could have seen something of this type coming and that those flowers presented a threat to public order.

Shirley you need to ring 101 apparently.

tss
then the resident needs to call 101 create an incident and have it logged that he doesnt want those flowers on his fence
then the cops can act. with his blessing.

This whole situation is awful and is just being made worse by the actions of the burglars relatives.
The fact they’re travellers is really neither here nor there. The problem is that this particular community are NOTORIOUS in their area for crime and intimidation. It makes not a blind bit of difference that they are travellers, other than serving to give the Daily Mail a massive hate-boner.

Take the media out of it, the local residents themselves have said they feel threatened, intimated and that the burglars family are being aggressive in their actions. That should suffice.

Absolutely grieve your dead relative, but do it privately, don’t delibertately seek to provoke and antagonise a community that has already suffered enough at the hands of your loved one.

You can't stop people filming in public in this situation.

I do think the press needs to stop giving it so much coverage now though.

It is reported that the residents wanted them removed when they went up yesterday but were told the police were unable to intervene.

stillvicar, or the police could simply have visited and asked his permission.

why is this so hard to understand?

if the resident doesnt want tributes attached to his fence he needs to ring 101 then it gives the police the go ahead to act on his behalf.

because its massiively emotive and cannot be seen to be driven by the police or any outside influence.

the fence owner needs to contact 101. 5 min phone call. job done.

Anyway, they wouldn’t be able to get through to 101. I’m convinced it must be permanently jammed with Mumsnetters reporting somebody knocked on their door or went in two of the same shops as them or looked at them funny in the supermarket.

give the Daily Mail a massive hate-boner

Fabulous phrase.