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Husband getting drunk with children . Going to have to give up on my dreams . Please help

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Bedtimesnacks · 09/04/2018 20:59

Posting here for traffic.

Been with husband for almost 16 years . Married nearly 7. Have 4 children . He's always been a drinker and over the years it's caused all sorts of problems. Losing driving licence, violence , verbal abuse and all sorts. All of this aimed at me not the children. Last time he physically laid hands on me was 7 years ago. So nothing recent although he's got in my face a few times in argument. I have never been much of a drinker but as a result of living with one i don't keep drink at home. Don't drink with him on the rare occasion we go out. I don't like my children around alcohol even in a social setting .

When we first met I was young and didn't have a huge network of friends . As I have got older that's changed mainly through a hobby I have . My children sometimes accompany me. Other times I go on my own with friends for the social side afterwards of a few drinks or a meal and a chat etc. This is something he doesn't like. Caused no end of rows and arguments . He's slagged me off to his family over it. Criticizing me as a parent. Saying j am out too much. For the record I do my hobby once a week or fortnight and it doesn't run all year either. This is the only time he would have the children to look after on his own. I cook , clean, do all household duties. Get up with them in the night and so on. For years and years his social outlet was the pub which could be sprung on me at shirt notice. IE. When I was stood with a dinner ready waiting for him to come home and he had decided to detour to the nearest pub. Having small babies in arms or me being pregnant made not one jot of difference to him doing this . But when it's me having an outlet I am deemed to be in the wrong.

He stopped drinking last august after a particularly difficult summer at which time i told him to leave and he was looking for a flat to rent elsewhere. Barring one blip he hadn't touched a drop. This was going from him drinking 6 cans a night every night .

Now all my children are at school full time I want to go back to work. I have applied for a job I have always wanted to do . Passed the online assessments and the training days. This has involved me having to being the gym for months to meet the fitness for it. I am a month or so away from entering vetting. My assessment scores were excellent and there is no doubt I would be good at the job. However the training will involve being on a 10 week residential training course in the north of the country. Only coming home at weekends. The job will involve shifts over 7 days a week / 24 hrs/ 365 days a year rota and it's also a high stress job which carries a degree of responsibility and will leave me unable to contact people during the working day. This was all fine with us due to the stopping of drinking.

However this weekend I went away with a group of friends for two nights. Grandparents had the children on the first night. Husband had them the second night. Turns out he took them to the park in the afternoon and sat there drinking and getting himself pissed up in public view. He rung me up in the evening and as soon as I heard his voice the bottom fell out of my world. I was so upset by the state of him and panic washed over me I went back to my hotel and barring something to eat remained in my room all evening as I wasn't up to going out and being sociable with the worry of what he was doing in my mind.

I now face having to give up and withdraw my application for the career I want. I don't have family help other than my mum who lives an hour's drive away and has health issues. She cannot be my childcare across those sort of working rotas. A childminder can't cover me on night shifts and the length of day shifts etc. I have emailed today and asked how the work life balance works and it's something I have to apply for after the 10 week training course and it's subject to a board agreeing to it . So in short I don't know if I can guarantee it. I feel absolutely trapped. In a panic and I feel sick to be honest. I feel ashamed. I cried down the phone to my mum about it this morning.

Please someone talk to me, hold my hand and help me . I feel so alone 😖

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PrimalLass · 09/04/2018 21:31

Its only the training that involves being away all week.

MudCity · 09/04/2018 21:31

Between him or the career, I know which I would choose.

Do not give up hope. There is always a way. You will find it.

Congratulations on your progress so far Flowers

Allthewaves · 09/04/2018 21:31

Friend was a single parent in the forces. He employed a live in nanny (his wife died).

I think without setting up a good support network it's going to be pretty tough with 4 kids.

MsJaneAusten · 09/04/2018 21:32

Leave him, then work out a way to complete the course and get the job.

Good friend / cousin / nanny / mum for the course, then au pair / live in nanny when you start the job? You probably don’t even need to move, just bunk the children together and/or move yourself to another room (dining room? Share with youngest child?)

I know ‘live in nanny’ sounds extortionate, but if you’re outside of London it might not be. There are plenty of young people interested in working in childcare who would take on a nannying job for £8-10 ph, and if you were also offering bed and board you could pay less.

Good luck. I feel you deserve this to work for you Flowers

Scotstar · 09/04/2018 21:32

If you have to defer your application for a few months. You won't have to do the assessments or fitness test again. Pretty sure they are valid for 2 years. It's a difficult profession to get into so please be proud of how well you've done to get this far and don't give up indefinitely. As said above, it's like a family you are entering and you will have people to support you as well as hr. Just need to get through the training and 2 year probation first

Time40 · 09/04/2018 21:33

Leave him. And do everything you possibly can to hang on to your new career.

RepealMay25th · 09/04/2018 21:33

Its only the training that involves being away all week

Yes, and isn't suitable for an au pair. But neither is the expected shift pattern suitable either.

OP, I feel for you truly, but an au pair is not the answer to your childcare issues. A nanny, yes, but I don't see how you could afford that.

Corkscrewbetty · 09/04/2018 21:34

Don't give up. Work your way out of this one step at a time. Perhaps you could delay the course? Go on the next recruitment drive? Find out what your options are. You can do this! Plan, plan, plan. You've done really well to get this far and you know you'd be good at the job. So, you're already winning. Look into how you're going to leave this man. You know it's the right thing to do as much as it hurts and as much as we would like them to change. Get your family and friends to help you. Breath. DO it slowly, but steadily. In no time at all you'll be earning your own money, you'll be in charge of your own destiny. It's going to be great. You have some hard work to do right now, but an awful lot to look forward to. You know this. x

Dionysus78 · 09/04/2018 21:35

This is a too complicated to simply say LTB. He's an alcoholic. Alcoholics, even in recovery, usually have relapses. That doesn't mean that they can't get back on the wagon. No, you can't trust him, I get that, but his alcoholic brain just went to the default 'I can get away with this, as I'm on my own for 2 days.' Not your fault in the slightest, you had every right to go away and trust him.

He was playing with fire, and had anyone seen how shitfaced he was in charge of children he would have been arrested.

The fact is though, an alcoholic is always an alcoholic. This could happen again at any time, be it tomorrow, or 5 years down the road. If he really does want to try then I would let him literally do EVERYTHING he can to help himself. I mean AA, or any NHS provision that exists near you. And of course don't let him be in sole charge for a while. In the short term it would be lovely if you could ask him to move out while he access the necessary help. Social Services might be able to help? Though informing them of an alcoholic parent might not sound like a great idea.

I do, however, think that any addict should be given another chance, as addiction is not something anyone ever chooses, or is proud of. My (probably unpopular) advice would be to leave him for at LEAST 6 months, preferably a year, and see how he does when he doesn't have responsibilities. Because it is when one is responsibility-free that one will go back to the addiction.

As for practicalities, I second the Au Pair idea, but if you find a great one, don't take him/her for granted...I've seen too much of that!

All the best, and as a parting note to my personal two-penn'orth, Flowers.

ReanimatedSGB · 09/04/2018 21:36

Definitely work on getting rid of the husband first. I'm afraid I agree with PP that you can't get an au pair as the solution to childcare: this would be exploitative and unsatisfactory for you anyway as you would be anxious about whether the au pair was coping.
There may be options such as a nanny share locally, or breakfast/after school clubs as well as babysitters.

JessicaJonesJacket · 09/04/2018 21:37

I think it depends on the ages of your DCs tbh. If your career is the one I think it is then I've friends and family members in the same field. They find it difficult to manage with DCs even with a supportive partner. They're constantly juggling. I don't know any paid childcare options that would cover in the same way. Also, if you're considering leaving your DH, depending on the ages of your DC, imo it wouldn't be fair on them to put them into childcare, pass them to an au pair when their lives will already have been turned upside down.

Stuckfornamesagain · 09/04/2018 21:38

Agree with Sabine, consciously or not he did this to drag you down. I rarely say ltb as it's not always that clear, but when the b in question is alcoholic and abusive then leaving has to be the only answer. Would you want your children to accept the same treatment from their partners? Or for them to copy their current role model?

On your dreams, I agree with others that in the long term, being single with an au pair sounds like the best bet. This isn't cheap as you need a spare room, food for an extra person and around £100 a week depending on where you live, but given the cost of flexible child care, it might be the best option. If you pass the test then is there financial support available for single parents in difficult circumstances? There might well be, even if not advertised. As you're married, you'll be entitled to a good chunk of any assets you have, which could help, and I'd echo other posters about seeing if anyone can help.
On that, if you announce your separation then might you have friends who could step in? Or who your DC could stay with (even just the older ones, so you're not leaving one person in charge of 4?). If my friend, or the mum of one of my DCs' friends were in this situation I would happily have a child to stay during weeks for quite a few weeks, and wouldn't expect or want any money, except maybe if they wanted to join my DC at activities out.

So sorry to hear this and good luck sorting it out. Hopefully other posters have more helpful suggestions too. In the meantime also might be worth trying Al Anon, we have an alcoholic family member and it helps to talk to others from the same situation.

Bedtimesnacks · 09/04/2018 21:39

My assessment and fitness is valid for a year from date of passing. Probation period is one year as it's NOT the police force. Its the prison service. Hence being uncontactable for the duration of my working hours. They do have some training courses which are not residential which means you travel there and back each day. Would have preferred residential being honest as there's alot of work to be completed in the evenings and with no travel and no children wanting me to be mum I can really give my all to passing it

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Aquamarine1029 · 09/04/2018 21:39

Turn you despair into action and take control of your life and future. Get rid of that useless husband and focus on your career and kids. It certainly won't be easy at first, but it will be well worth it. Do you know if anyone with a daughter in her late teens, early 20s who is responsible and might be looking for a way to make some money watching your kids? I would explore every possible avenue to make your career plans work.

worstwitch18 · 09/04/2018 21:39

Repeal

The children are at school full time, so it would only be an hour in the morning (I'm guessing) and then the evenings. I would say still over the general au pair remit but not so terrible. Some would be willing for higher than average au pair wages.

BedTimeSnacks I'm sorry you're in this position. I can't help but think he's doing this deliberately to stop you following your dream career. It's so important that you get to do things you want to do: your hobby, your job.

If you were single, could you manage the job? You would need a proper nanny I think, not an au pair at that point but it would be after your earnings had changed.

Sorry this is all happening Flowers

Bedtimesnacks · 09/04/2018 21:41

I can't bunk in with the kids. They share two as it is. There's literally no room. I don't have a separate dining room. It's all open plan downstairs . No ensuite etc either for au pair . Literally the only thing I could do is sleep on the sofa and him / her have my bedroom and me box and store all my belongings in the loft

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Stuckfornamesagain · 09/04/2018 21:41

One more bit... as someone who grew up with alcoholics, I would not give a relapsing addict one more chance. Harsh as it is, the odds are not on their side, especially if they don't really see the issue - so the chance you give them is at the expense of your children and your health.

Juells · 09/04/2018 21:42

Sounds like he sabotaged on purpose. He's not adding anything positive to your life.

(My, how good I am at dishing out advice. If only I'd been as smart in my own life :( )

Eesha · 09/04/2018 21:45

Hi BedTimeSnacks, im also very sorry you are in this position. I recently left my partner who is an alcoholic. We have small children together but i didnt want them to see that his behaviour was normal. It was very hard at the time of leaving but i am so much happier without the stress of worrying about him, what he is doing, drinking etc. I just wanted to let you know you can have a life without him dragging you down. Your words about your heart sinking when you heard his voice, that's exactly how i used to feel. I still feel that way but now i know my home is my own, and i can do whatever i want. There is hope, dont feel alone, and dont let him drag your life down.

RepealMay25th · 09/04/2018 21:46

The children are at school full time, so it would only be an hour in the morning (I'm guessing) and then the evenings. I would say still over the general au pair remit but not so terrible. Some would be willing for higher than average au pair wages

No, it would not. Did you not read that its a 24 hour a day 7 day a week 365 days a year rota? So overnights, weekends, bank holidays etc. And a lot more than au pair hours.
It would be severely abusing the au pair position to try and get an au pair in this situation.

NettleTea · 09/04/2018 21:46

nanny can be ofsted approved and part subsidised through tax credits as far as I am aware, and you may be able to work it as a single parent like that perhaps?

and agree he did it on purpose

Bedtimesnacks · 09/04/2018 21:47

My kids are 12 , 7,5 and 4

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bluebell34567 · 09/04/2018 21:47

leave him by moving to a bigger house, get a nanny and continue with your job prospect.
I am sorry these are easier said than done but summary really.

Chesntoots · 09/04/2018 21:48

From being in the job for over ten years I can tell you that the last thing you need is a problem at home.
The job takes its toll mentally and physically and to be totally honest the management attitude is that they employ you and not your family.
I think you need to decide what your plan of action is first before you take the job. I originally said wait until after college so he could be at home with the kids but having thought about it, you might want to sort that situation out first and at least you can settle during training.
You need to be focused whilst at work or you will be a danger to yourself and others.
Don't mean to put you off but I'm sure you would rather hear the truth of it than people telling you that you will be fine...

ferntwist · 09/04/2018 21:49

You have to go ahead with this job. It sounds like it will be fantastic for you and you’ll really good at it. Your children are all going to be at school and this could give you the independence to kick him out one day for good.