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78 pensioner arrested for fatally stabbing burglar in his own home

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SShaming · 04/04/2018 12:20

2 burglars break into a 78 year old man’s home armed with screwdriver.

Forces owner into the kitchen whilst one of them goes upstairs.

A fight ensues, leaving pensioner with injuries to his arm and burglary is fatally stabbed. Perhaps with his own screwdriver although this is TBC.

Police arrest pensioner.

On what planet is this right?

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Jobjobjob · 07/04/2018 11:43

Nope - real justice is what happened, namely freedom for the victim and retribution for the criminal. Social justice warriors would have put away an innocent man for murder, and probably thrown a fat cheque towards the burglar's family for the breach of his human rights.

I can't see anywhere on this thread that attitude! You're reading things that aren't there. People are saying the correct procedures were and should have been followed.

Or

No life should be taken and have no value. That burglar meant something to someone and they will mourn him.

Your extreme reaction is quite bizarre!

JacquesHammer · 07/04/2018 11:46

Social justice warriors would have put away an innocent man for murder, and probably thrown a fat cheque towards the burglar's family for the breach of his human rights

Go on then - who exactly has said that?

BertrandRussell · 07/04/2018 11:55

“Go on then - who exactly has said that?”

I think I did. I thought I was saying something completely different though. Who knew?

Frequency · 07/04/2018 12:00

At the end of the day, someone's father and son is dead and innocent man has to live with the consequences of that. There is nothing to celebrate in this case.

If what the Fail printed is true, of course, they deserved prison. And I'm relieved the pensioner was unharmed, physically at least, but the amount of glee on this thread over a young father losing his life is sickening.

Stirner · 07/04/2018 12:12

The problem with social justice warriors is they only want the law so be upheld in certain circumstances - usually when it involves a man defending his home.
When it's enforced against actual criminals they don't like it.

BertrandRussell · 07/04/2018 12:15

“The problem with social justice warriors is they only want the law so be upheld in certain circumstances - usually when it involves a man defending his home.
When it's enforced against actual criminals they don't like it.”

OK. I’ll bite. Can you give me one actual, solid example of this thinking?

Stirner · 07/04/2018 12:22

@BertrandRussell - This thread is a prime example, the absolute gloating over an elderly man being arrested, and the peopl falling over themselves to demonstrate their moral and intellectual superiority to defend a criminal that has a long record of offending against some of society's most vulnerable.

Elendon · 07/04/2018 12:23

The secret barrister on this:

thesecretbarrister.com/2018/04/05/bashing-burglars-and-the-law-of-self-defence/

BertrandRussell · 07/04/2018 12:24

Stirner. I see nothing of that on this thread. Please C&P.

JacquesHammer · 07/04/2018 12:25

This thread is a prime example, the absolute gloating over an elderly man being arrested

You say “gloating”. I say “pointing out that why the law had to be applied in this way and how it was - in part - for the “elderly man” and his own protection”.

Not sure the two are synonymous

Buster72 · 07/04/2018 12:28

Nobody defended the deceased. Simply pleased that a thorough investigation was completed and the right outcome reached.
Arrest is a process not a punishment.

Stirner · 07/04/2018 12:28

@BertrandRussell - how about this from @TerrenceandPhillip:
"Fucking police, following the law and arresting someone who's caused another to die. The bastards. "

Jobjobjob · 07/04/2018 12:28

The problem with social justice warriors is they only want the law so be upheld in certain circumstances - usually when it involves a man defending his home.
When it's enforced against actual criminals they don't like i

Stop making up scenarios not on this thread! Show me where this has been said?

Jobjobjob · 07/04/2018 12:31

@BertrandRussell - how about this from @TerrenceandPhillip:
"Fucking police, following the law and arresting someone who's caused another to die. The bastards. "

@Stirner do you think that might just be said with tongue in cheek? You know a bit of a wind up? Honestly you seem to angry to be able to think straight! You must accept that others feel differently to you!

BertrandRussell · 07/04/2018 12:31

“Fucking police, following the law and arresting someone who's caused another to die. The bastards. "

Sorry-what’s that supposed to be an example of?

Gottagetmoving · 07/04/2018 12:32

Social justice warriors would have put away an innocent man for murder, and probably thrown a fat cheque towards the burglar's family for the breach of his human rights

Why do you insist that anyone wanted Richard put away?
No one has said that's the outcome they wanted.
Why can't you get it through your stubborn brain that a legal process has to be followed?
There is something seriously wrong with you if have read posts on here and twisted what's been said to suit your own bizarre agenda.

Jobjobjob · 07/04/2018 12:35

@Gottagetmoving, well said!

@Stirner read what's been said, stop making things up! It is bizarre!

JacquesHammer · 07/04/2018 12:36

Fucking police, following the law and arresting someone who's caused another to die. The bastards. "

See this is called sarcasm.

WhalesOfYore · 07/04/2018 12:40

JacquesHammer
Social justice warriors would have put away an innocent man for murder, and probably thrown a fat cheque towards the burglar's family for the breach of his human rights

Go on then - who exactly has said that?

Gottagetmoving

Why do you insist that anyone wanted Richard put away?
No one has said that's the outcome they wanted.

Do learn to read, it'll help you immensely both on Mumsnet and in life:

BertrandRussell Wed 04-Apr-18 22:21:15
Oh of course you can't just kill other people with no consequences. Of course he has to be arrested and charged - he murdered someone!

stitchglitched · 07/04/2018 12:43

Evidence that nobody on here had yesterday

Yet despite that lack of evidence you were saying yesterday that he should be charged and taken to trial. Or does the criticism about rushing to judgement only apply one way?

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 07/04/2018 12:46

Whales

Bertrand retracted that comment pages ago. She is capable of listening to arguments, considering them and adjusting her position accordingly. The same cannot be said for everyone on this thread.

Stirner · 07/04/2018 12:46

The sneering responses to my post say it all really.

WhalesOfYore · 07/04/2018 12:50

ChazsBrilliantAttitude

Bertrand retracted that comment pages ago.

After immense resistance, yes. But both JacquesHammer and Gottagetmoving don't believe that anyone said any such thing, and regardless of whether or not it was eventually retracted, it was said.

Again, learning to read is so helpful.

BertrandRussell · 07/04/2018 12:52

The sneering responses to my post say it all really.

I wasn’t sneering. But I think you misunderstood the post you quoted. Were you giving it as an example of the pro burglar bias you perceive?

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 07/04/2018 12:53

As a lawyer I find the lack of understanding of the rule of law and due process terrifying.

People are too keen to say people they brand as unworthy should have no rights without recognising that taking rights from one person leads to an erosion of rights for us all. Either the police have to investigate all “suspicious” deaths or they get to be judge and jury and only investigate those which they deem worthy- do you really want the police to have that much discretion. I don’t.

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